Is Connor Hellebuyck tracking to be a HHOFer?

[Duke749]

Faces the Kinghts and then the Avs back to back. Good chance they both wind up being cup winners. That’s a tough assignment.

Still a great goalie.

If Colorado wins the Cup this year, it would be the 3rd time in the last 6 seasons that they were knocked out of the first round by the eventual Cup winner.

 

[violaswallet]

If he ages like Bob, he will be on the threshold: Bob is going to make it due to regular season peak (CH is similar with two Vezinas after this season) and great career numbers (CH needs 4-5 years of good performance should get him to 400 wins).

While both and Bob have had questionable playoffs, I think part of the legend of Bob is that he eliminate the best regular season team in history on eighth seeds: I think CH needs something like that to happen, even if he doesn't win the cup

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I know, it skews what hockey really is for fans. They're the 70% awards. Regular season is played at about 70% speed compared to the actual hockey that has to be played to know who's the actual best at the sport.

That's fair but regular season is also 82 games. The Rangers who won the Presidents' Trophy this year had a 4 game losing streak at one point in the season. So any team can have a few bas games and lose a series. That's just a counterargument.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Carey Price 2.0 but worse.

 

[tucker3434]

He’s a career .911 in the playoffs. Excluding the last two years, he’s a .921. That’s not keeping him out.

 

[wetcoast]

Why are you doing a 1/6 calc to get 16.7%? Because there is 1 goalie and 5 skaters on the ice? That's just one shift though....there are another 13 skaters on the bench waiting for their shifts. I'd suggest you shouldn't really look at 2 goalies as the population because can't look at starters and backups the same, but you could say the same about 4 line players vs. 1 line players I guess. So, generally a team is going to start a game with 2 goalies and 18 skaters. So 2/18 = 11.1%....but 14.4% of the members of the HHOF are goalies by your calc. To me, that doesn't suggest under representation.....it's not the simple, but that's the starting point I always consider.

Do you really want a HHOF with equal representation of first and 3rd liners or anything close?

 

[JLo217]

Just a tier below

 

[Matty Sundin]

He’s on track to win his 2nd Veznia and will probably be flirting with 400 wins when his career is done. One disastrous playoff series is not gonna stop him from making the HOF.

 

[MXD]

He’s on track to win his 2nd Veznia and will probably be flirting with 400 wins when his career is done. One disastrous playoff series is not gonna stop him from making the HOF.

... That gives him two, arguably three.

 

[STLegend]

Overrated, gimme Mr. Winnington

 

[Jedub]

2 Vezinas and he's in

 

[BlueAzN]

I've always considered him just SLIGHTLY below Vasilevskiy and Shesterkin, but I don't know what to think anymore after these playoffs.

What do you guys think? Does he justify his cap even if he chokes every playoffs?

 

[Fish on The Sand]

I've always considered him just SLIGHTLY below Vasilevskiy and Shesterkin, but I don't know what to think anymore after these playoffs.

What do you guys think? Does he justify his cap even if he chokes every playoffs?

Imagine judging a player's entire career based on a sample of less than 1% of his games.

 

[BlueAzN]

Imagine judging a player's entire career based on a sample of less than 1% of his games.

Do games not count when they matter most? Why so emotional?

 

[Sol]

Look, I’m going to judge him for less than 1% of his games because the playoffs are the most important time to be a difference maker. And Hellebuyck simply isn’t worth anything for the Jets in the playoffs. He may be a “vezina” goalie in the regular season. But in the playoffs he’s your run in the mill Joe Shmoe.

So with all due respect to Hellebuyck, he ain’t worth shit.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

Do games not count when they matter most? Why so emotional?

Leafs magically started winning playoff games when Matthews was out of the lineup. Maybe we should judge him to the same standard.

 

[BlueAzN]

Leafs magically started winning playoff games when Matthews was out of the lineup. Maybe we should judge him to the same standard.

It's the main reason why I have Matthews decidedly behind Connor McDonald, Kale Maker, and Nat Micky

 

[The Nuge]

Not really. He’s a top 5 goalie who had a rough series. It happens to pretty much everyone at some point

 

[BlueAzN]

Not really. He’s a top 5 goalie who had a rough series. It happens to pretty much everyone at some point

Um. What about last year?

 

[JKG33]

I always thought he was quite overrated, so no not really

 

[Fraser28]

Imagine judging a player's entire career based on a sample of less than 1% of his games.

Playoffs are weighted WAY more heavily than regular season. Surely you know that.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

This playoffs does change my opinion of Helle. He's overrated as far as i am concerned. Great goaltenders can put a mediocre team on their back. Price did it on more than 1 occasion. Helle had a very good team and let them down.

 

[Oddbob]

Um. What about last year?

What about the rest of his career? Your judging him on 10 of 45 games, and then taking out the context of this year playing Colorado who is an offensive juggernaut. His other 35 games in the playoffs he has good to quite good stats.

This playoffs does change my opinion of Helle. He's overrated as far as i am concerned. Great goaltenders can put a mediocre team on their back. Price did it on more than 1 occasion. Helle had a very good team and let them down.

Is Winnipeg really that good? Take Hellebuyck away and you have 4 60 pt guys and then nothing amazing.

 

[The Nuge]

Um. What about last year?

Sure. But he’s still a career .910 in the playoffs

 

[El Travo]

This playoffs does change my opinion of Helle. He's overrated as far as i am concerned. Great goaltenders can put a mediocre team on their back. Price did it on more than 1 occasion. Helle had a very good team and let them down.

Colorado picked the Jets apart, not just Hellebuyck. This wasn't a case of a team losing games they should have won due to goaltending. If not for a historically bad game from Georgiev in Game 1, this would have been a sweep. The best the Jets looked all series was a game where they could have maybe been considered even with Colorado.