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I've seen him enough to know he was great. I wouldn't call him generational. Same with Makar.I would ask how much you saw Lidstrom in his prime.
I've seen him enough to know he was great. I wouldn't call him generational. Same with Makar.I would ask how much you saw Lidstrom in his prime.
Robinson doesn't get enough respect. He was a unique player. And my point has nothing to do with comparing Makar to Potvin or Bourque, or whoever else. Just saying he isn't any better than his peers as they were. The comparison of Makar to McDavid above proves how silly the generational argument is.
I would ask how much you saw Lidstrom in his prime.
7 Norris's over an 11 year span. 6 in 7 years. DoneGo ahead and argue it if it's easy. I could argue Jagr was better than his peers for a decade, but I'm not calling him generational. I don't think any defenseman was obviously generational other than Orr. And that's not a slight on any other defensemen.
7 Norris's over an 11 year span. 6 in 7 years. Done
I think Jagr is as well and he did it in the hardest era to score as well as continued it post lockout in a completely different league playing at an mvp level. You can go watch his Pens/Caps goals and more often than not he is hooked and slashed all over with what would be an instant penalty in todays game.
Exactly. Most dont realize how good he was for those Flyer and Panther teams.Jagr is underrated. Besides his obvious dominance through his prime this is a guy who played a huge part in a Cup win as a teenager while not being overshadowed by a prime Lemieux, and who came top 20 in points as a 44 year old outscoring a young Barkov just under a decade ago. No forward has had this type of longevity as an impact player in the NHL besides Howe.
Say a gen is 20 yearsSo is there like 10 generational players in the league now? The term has completely lost its meaning.
Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid, Matthews, Kucherov, MacKinnon, Makar, Bedard, Michkov - all have been called generational.
So is there like 10 generational players in the league now? The term has completely lost its meaning.
Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid, Matthews, Kucherov, MacKinnon, Makar, Bedard, Michkov - all have been called generational.
I like those years. I made my generations pages back and when the game shifted stylistically:Say a gen is 20 years
Crosby, Ovechkin = 2005-2025 gen
McDavid, Matthews, Kucherov, Mackinnon, Makar 2015-2035 gen
Michkov, Bedard = 2025-2045 gen
And you get 1 generational player by generation. Than you get Crosby/Ovechkin (too close for a winner), McDavid, the youngin TBD.
We could argue that generational only applies by position, so Makar could be in the mix then.
This begs the question, who were the generational player from the gen before Crosby/Ovechkin?Not yet... But I'd say he definitely has a chance.
He's off to a pretty good start this year relative to the usual Norris contenders. I'd say if he can keep going and wins the Norris this year it would go a long way towards that generational status.
For now despite all the Norris finalists and being the consensus #1 guy in the league... He does still only have a single Norris Trophy. I'd have to think to be truly generational he's gonna need 3-4 by the time he retires.
Nah. Crosby, Ovechkin are generational from one generation. The next group of guys didn't join the league until almost 10 years later or longer in some cases.
I'd say Sid and Ovy are generational. McDavid is generational. Makar might become generational.
The rest are all the upper echelon of truly elite, but not quite generational.
This begs the question, who were the generational player from the gen before Crosby/Ovechkin?
Meaning 1990-2010? I think Jagr definitely fits the bill. Maybe Lindstrom too? (Of course not mentionning Lemieux)
I like those years. I made my generations pages back and when the game shifted stylistically:
Generation 1 - 6 team league until 67-68 - Howe
Generation 2 - 1968 until Gretzky - Orr
Generation 3 - Crazy 80s to early 90s - Gretz and a hint of Lemieux
Generation 4 - Dead Puck Era (95-05) - Lemieux/Jagr/Hasek
Generation 5 - Post lockout until McDavid - Lidstrom/Sid/Ovi
Generation 6 - McDavid to present - McDavid/Makar
Then can make an argument for us still being in Generation 6 or starting 7 with Bedard, but I'd say we need McDavid to regress before the next one starts and obviously that hasnt happened.
Agree to disagree. He was the far above his peers for a solid 10+ season span. That to me is generational.
Do you mean "peers" as in other defensemen or "peers" as in other players? If he was far above the other players, he would have won a Hart, which he was never even close to.
I don't mean to diminish Lidstrom, he's one of the best defensemen of all time, but I think just how NHL gives out awards and rates players would keep him out of being a "generational" player. I think Orr is considered the only generational defenseman and I honestly don't know if there is a generational goalie. I think there are only about 7 generational players and I think 6 of them are forwards.
I'm honestly 50/50 on whether I consider Jagr a generational player, and if Jagr isn't making the cut I don't think Lidstrom makes the cut.
I agree, Jagr was always considered better than Lidstrom so if Jagr isn’t generational, Lidstrom isn’t.Do you mean "peers" as in other defensemen or "peers" as in other players? If he was far above the other players, he would have won a Hart, which he was never even close to.
I don't mean to diminish Lidstrom, he's one of the best defensemen of all time, but I think just how NHL gives out awards and rates players would keep him out of being a "generational" player. I think Orr is considered the only generational defenseman and I honestly don't know if there is a generational goalie. I think there are only about 7 generational players and I think 6 of them are forwards.
I'm honestly 50/50 on whether I consider Jagr a generational player, and if Jagr isn't making the cut I don't think Lidstrom makes the cut.
This is historically incorrect.Generation 1 - 6 team league until 67-68 - Howe