Music: Is Bush grunge?

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[NyQuil]

Right at the tail end.

It's a subgenre of music for me, not a geographic location.

 

[Hasbro]

Considering it was practically a Nirvana tribute band…

 

[TCTC]

They're the Coldplay of Grunge. A mainstream-friendly watered down version.
Silverchair are in the same boat.

I have to admit, I like some of their songs. But they're one of the least inspiring bands of the 90's.

 

[#37]

No, they are basically Silverchair with better songs.

EDIT: Crazy that poster above and a moment earlier would mention Silverchair too...

 

[zombie kopitar]

No, they are basically Silverchair with better songs.

EDIT: Crazy that poster above and a moment earlier would mention Silverchair too...

I'm gonna give a slight nod to Silverchair because they have a bit less of a derivative sound, a little more apathetic vibe, and Australia is more grunge than the UK

 

[TheAngryHank]

The singer stole Gwen from me ,prick.

 

[Babe Ruth]

They're the Coldplay of Grunge. A mainstream-friendly watered down version.

I think this^ is a fair description.

I basically view Bush as a grunge replicator.
And I don't mean that as an insult, but they came a couple years later, and from too distant a location, to be legit 'grunge'. They do basically share the same genre. But when I think first wave type grunge, it's 5-10 years before Bush, and confined to the Pacific Northwest.

 

[x Tame Impala]

No he was too happy to be grunge

 

[hangman005]

Grunge isn't the word I'd use....

What... wrong Bush

 

[hangman005]

No he was too happy to be grunge

Well at least I wasn't the only one whose mind went this track

 

[x Tame Impala]

 

[#37]

I have a hard time defining 'grunge' as a sound, because every one of those bands sounded sooo different... Sound Garden sounds like they liked to listen to an old Black Sabbath tape when they shot their heroin.

It doesn't work as a fashion style either, because we were dressing like that in Northern Virginia (where Dave Grohl came from.. and also knew who Bad Brains were) in the mid to late 80's. Lots of flannel. It's a simple recipe: you take the average Northern Virginia metal head of that era, strip off the back-patches, and hook them on heroin... viola, the grundge, she is ready.

To me, it's a location. Not the Seattle music scene, but the Seattle drug scene... and it eventually killed the best of them. There was only 1 wave of 'grunge', the rest is alternative rock.

 

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To me, it's a location. Not the Seattle music scene, but the Seattle drug scene... and it eventually killed the best of them. There was only 1 wave of 'grunge', the rest is alternative rock.

I mean I agree, two of the big 4 were formed from Temple of the Dog, which was formed cause the lead singer of Mother Love Bone OD'd...it is a really interesting chasm, and as someone that spent my high school years there playing music, it's just a certain energy there (which might be why I'm a snob about it)

I do think that post grunge is a valid sub genre, I also think it's a super broad genre that bands from Bush, Foo Fighters, and Gin Blossoms are certainly a pat of. But it honestly echoed for a really long time; I think Avril Lavigne was post grunge, and this might be a hot take but Waking Up in Vegas was the official death of post grunge to me

 

[VMBM]

Sound Garden sounds like they liked to listen to an old Black Sabbath tape when they shot their heroin.

Please tell me more about the heroin use among the members of Soundgarden. Or are you just basically talking out of your arse?

 

[#37]

Please tell me more about the heroin use among the members of Soundgarden. Or are you just basically talking out of your arse?

Tributes flow for Soundgarden singer Chris Cornell as cause of death revealed

Chris Cornell, the emblematic grunge rock singer whose sweeping voice masked lifelong struggles with drugs and depression, died late Wednesday moments after finishing a concert. He was 52.

www.sbs.com.au

Cornell, a Seattle native, wrestled with heroin and other drugs as well as depression most of his life, once even calling a metal magazine to confirm a tour cancellation from a payphone at a rehab clinic.

Chris Cornell used other drugs before hanging himself

Chris Cornell's funeral is set for Friday, May 26, but he was cremated at a private ceremony attended by his immediate family and friends at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery on Tuesday.

indianexpress.com

According to sources connected to the investigation, the 52-year-old had fresh track marks on his arm, indicating a potential drug injection, when his body was discovered in a Detroit hotel room on May 18, reports tmz.com.

 

[VMBM]

Tributes flow for Soundgarden singer Chris Cornell as cause of death revealed

Chris Cornell, the emblematic grunge rock singer whose sweeping voice masked lifelong struggles with drugs and depression, died late Wednesday moments after finishing a concert. He was 52.

www.sbs.com.au

Chris Cornell used other drugs before hanging himself

Chris Cornell's funeral is set for Friday, May 26, but he was cremated at a private ceremony attended by his immediate family and friends at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery on Tuesday.

indianexpress.com

These two extensive articles on his death and drug abuse never mention heroin:

Chris Cornell Relapsed A Year Before His Death

Chris Cornell Drugs and Suicide | Turnbridge

And what about the rest of the band, like you also hinted? There's seems to be nothing suggesting that heroin, or hard drugs more widely speaking (unless tobacco & alcohol count), played a part in Soundgarden's music.

 

[Ceremony]

"Grunge" isn't a thing, so no.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

I always considered Bush as like “alternative grunge”. Not super grungey, but right there on the line, so I’ll allow it.

 

[Babe Ruth]

I have a hard time defining 'grunge' as a sound, because every one of those bands sounded sooo different... Sound Garden sounds like they liked to listen to an old Black Sabbath tape when they shot their heroin.

It doesn't work as a fashion style either, because we were dressing like that in Northern Virginia (where Dave Grohl came from.. and also knew who Bad Brains were) in the mid to late 80's. Lots of flannel.

Not the Seattle music scene, but the Seattle drug scene... and it eventually killed the best of them. There was only 1 wave of 'grunge', the rest is alternative rock.

Yeah, a lot of people wore flannel before and after Soundgarden etc. Flannel isn't the defining feature of grunge. But also lots of rock musicians before and after Andrew Wood used drugs, so I don't think heroin use is a distinct, defining feature of grunge.
Grunge's defining feature was its concentration of talent (both native & imported) in the Pacific Northwest. There was never as influential a music scene, before or after, in Washington State.. with Seattle being the friendliest place for those bands to gig in the late 80s. I think physical location IS the key factor in understanding/qualifying grunge.
And I agree, there were significant style variations between the Northwest bands, so location was their (more) meaningful, binding factor.. even tho it is an imperfect connection. Just my take.

 

[x Tame Impala]

These two extensive articles on his death and drug abuse never mention heroin:

Chris Cornell Relapsed A Year Before His Death

Chris Cornell Drugs and Suicide | Turnbridge

And what about the rest of the band, like you also hinted? There's seems to be nothing suggesting that heroin, or hard drugs more widely speaking (unless tobacco & alcohol count), played a part in Soundgarden's music.

Why so defensive? Heroin in the rock scene was commonplace since the 50’s and 60’s. Even Ray Charles was using. It’s also a huge part of band culture and the music scene if you’ve ever been around it or known anyone involved.

 

[Metroid]

I say alt rock.

 

[VMBM]

Why so defensive? Heroin in the rock scene was commonplace since the 50’s and 60’s. Even Ray Charles was using. It’s also a huge part of band culture and the music scene if you’ve ever been around it or known anyone involved.

Idk, maybe I'd want to see facts being written rather than some assumptions (in this particular case). Neither Chris Cornell nor his bandmates were drug — let alone heroin — addicts during the first incarnation of Soundgarden (mid-'80s to late '90s).

 

[Roo Returns]

They were alternative rock. Right place right time. MTV needed stars in that era after Kurt Cobain committed suicide and Pearl Jam stopped making videos (Soundgarden were superstars and AIC while beginning to have problems was still immensely popular).

Green Day, Nine Inch Nails, Bush, Silverchair all filed that part.

Music really started changing after Woodstock 94.

Grunge itself wasn't a style, just an era/scene.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I always considered Bush as like “alternative grunge”. Not super grungey, but right there on the line, so I’ll allow it.

Yeah they are alternative. But I like most of their music