Is Barkov already a lock for the HHOF?

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Couldn't care less what a group of cognitively flawed people think

Weird

 

[PistolPete]

Weird

Why is that weird?

 

[x Tame Impala]

You ignored the part after about what if he was in Buffalo etc.

It's using the Halo Effect to make a player's subjective assessment. Barkov is the same player even if he plays on a cellar dweller, but by the luck of playing on a Cup winner, his assessment as an individual player shines brighter.

It's not an argument against Barkov per se, it's an argument against using any team accomplishment in an individual player's resume.

It’s taking away credit for something that did actually happen and then disparaging for some ridiculous hypothetical.

Does Tage Thompson win a Cup if he were in Florida instead of Buffalo? Who cares? It’s an irrelevant question. Barkov is a huge part of his team’s success and that’s the only thing that’s real and that matters.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Why is that weird?

Because we’re talking about the Hockey Hall of Fame, the one that exists in our dimension not the alternate dimension one you must be thinking of.

And that is something that voters in our dimension care about.

So I’m saying that captaining 2 cup teams will help Barkov in addition to all the other credentials he has .

 

[PistolPete]

Because we’re talking about the Hockey Hall of Fame, the one that exists in our dimension not the alternate dimension one you must be thinking of.

And that is something that voters in our dimension care about.

So I’m saying that captaining 2 cup teams will help Barkov in addition to all the other credentials he has .

Which is why this dimensions version is watered down and not as valuable as my dimension

 

[JianYang]

Barkov, Marchand, and bobrovsky are in.

 

[PistolPete]

Barkov, Marchand, and bobrovsky are in.

Not just watered down....it's flooded!

 

[JianYang]

Not just watered down....it's flooded!

Are you arguing based on what the hall of fame is or what you think the hall of fame ought to be?

How you can have barasso and Vernon but not bobrovsky in there, as an example.

 

[the valiant effort]

Covid years are kind of a blur.

And come with an asterisk next to every achievement

 

[catnip]

Winning is a team achievement but being the captain and the first-line center of a winning team is still very much an individual honour/achievement. Why shouldn't it be considered?

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Which is why this dimensions version is watered down and not as valuable as my dimension

can't argue with you there, too much mid in the HHoF

 

[PettersonHughes]

Winning is a team achievement but being the captain and the first-line center of a winning team is still very much an individual honour/achievement. Why shouldn't it be considered?

That plus the Selkes speak volumes too. It's rare to find stud, all around #1 C's.

 

[PistolPete]

Are you arguing based on what the hall of fame is or what you think the hall of fame ought to be?

How you can have barasso and Vernon but not bobrovsky in there, as an example.

Ought to be.

Based on what is, those players probably make it.

Barrasso and Vernon have no business being in the HHoF

 

[freecheese]

Barkov is one of the few NHL players currently under 30 that has a HHOF resume & should be a 1st ballot lock if he retired right now.

 

[PistolPete]

Barkov is one of the few NHL players currently under 30 that has a HHOF resume & should be a 1st ballot lock if he retired right now.

If Mike Vernon can get in...then it should be a participation award honour.