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Is Barkov already a lock for the HHOF?

Is Barkov already a lock for the HHOF

  • Yes

    Votes: 139 68.5%

  • Not yet but he will be soon

    Votes: 49 24.1%

  • No

    Votes: 15 7.4%
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NVious said:
Not one on it's own if you're a 20/20 guy, but Barkov is fantastic at every aspect of the game, 3x Selke, a cup winner, 3x finalist, should easily end up 400+ goals, 1000+ points.
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Team success is not an individual achievement

If that's the case then every 4th line plug on a Cup winner would automatically have to be considered for the HHOF- however fleeting.

And his offensive stats leave a lot to be desired- even by HHOF standards

Is he a potential HHOF candidate? Maybe

A lock? Meh
 
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PistolPete said:
Team success is not an individual achievement

If that's the case then every 4th line plug on a Cup winner would automatically have to be considered for the HHOF- however fleeting.

And his offensive stats leave a lot to be desired- even by HHOF standards

Is he a potential HHOF candidate? Maybe

A lock? Meh
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Yeah 3 Selkes is though. Again a Selke as a 20/20 guy is whatever, but 3 Selkes as an 80-90 point is fantastic.

That coupled with massive team success in a non traditional market leading them to their first cup is an easy HOF lock.
 
NVious said:
Yeah 3 Selkes is though. Again a Selke as a 20/20 guy is whatever, but 3 Selkes as an 80-90 point is fantastic.

That coupled with massive team success in a non traditional market leading them to their first cup is an easy HOF lock.
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Back to the team success thing....

Strong two way play- good case. And by HHOF standards....perhaps he's a safe bet
 
2 cups (I picked Florida in this round. But 1 is enough)
Excellent postseason player
3 Selke trophies
711 points in 737 games
Captain of cup winner(s)
Legit #1 C

Modern bay Bergeron. Yep he's rightfully getting in.
 
PistolPete said:
Back to the team success thing....

Strong two way play- good case. And by HHOF standards....perhaps he's a safe bet
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Team success isn't everything, but it's not nothing either.

Barkov's whole resume is fantastic:
Individual awards
Good peak
Team success
Gonna hit 400+goals, 1000+ points easily

That's a lock, Lowe got in on team success only, Carboneau got in on his fantastic two way play with not even close to the offense of Barkov and Kopitar/Bergeron/Toews are all locks and he is of the same style as them.
 
PistolPete said:
Team success is not an individual achievement

If that's the case then every 4th line plug on a Cup winner would automatically have to be considered for the HHOF- however fleeting.

And his offensive stats leave a lot to be desired- even by HHOF standards

Is he a potential HHOF candidate? Maybe

A lock? Meh
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I think team success matters in this case because as a captain has led the Panthers to their first cup. + 3 selkes makes him a safe bet.
 
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NVious said:
Team success isn't everything, but it's not nothing either.

Barkov's whole resume is fantastic:
Individual awards
Good peak
Team success
Gonna hit 400+goals, 1000+ points easily

That's a lock, Lowe got in on team success only, Carboneau got in on his fantastic two way play with not even close to the offense of Barkov and Kopitar/Bergeron/Toews are all locks and he is of the same style as them.
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Yeah....the HHOF does have low standards it seems
Conspiracy Theorist said:
I think team success matters in this case because as a captain has led the Panthers to their first cup. + 3 selkes makes him a safe bet.
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You have a point there- he is a pivotal piece as the captain.

If I'm a time traveler and I want to build a Cup winner, knowing a player was a captain on a Cup winner builds a lot of credibility for him as a great leader.
 
PistolPete said:
Yeah....the HHOF does have low standards it seems

You have a point there- he is a pivotal piece as the captain.

If I'm a time traveler and I want to build a Cup winner, knowing a player was a captain on a Cup winner builds a lot of credibility for him as a great leader.
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I don't see it that way at all, over 8000 players have played in the NHL, Barkov is easily top 100 basically putting him in the top 1% of players. He has won 3 Selkes joining 5 other players who have done so (still has time to rack up way more), as of today he is 205th in points all time, 84th all time in ppg, he has a cup (only 1300 have won one) and 3 finals, first Finnish captain to win a cup, brought the first cup to Florida.

Maybe for some HHOF should be 10 guys and then the rest are scrub dusters, but I personally like the way it's constituted now, not to say every single pick is perfect, but Barkov has an amazing career so far, many unique firsts and some extremely rare accomplishments as well.
 
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NVious said:
I don't see it that way at all, over 8000 players have played in the NHL, Barkov is easily top 100 basically putting him in the top 1% of players. He has won 3 Selkes joining 5 other players who have done so (still has time to rack up way more), as of today he is 205th in points all time, 84th all time in ppg, he has a cup (only 1300 have won one) and 3 finals, first Finnish captain to win a cup, brought the first cup to Florida.

Maybe for some HHOF should be 10 guys and then the rest are scrub dusters, but I personally like the way it's constituted now, not to say every single pick is perfect, but Barkov has an amazing career so far, many unique firsts and some extremely rare accomplishments as well.
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Is he easily top 100 all-time? Not disputing that necessarily, but I haven't really put a list together. I'm guessing he's not on the top 100 lists that had been pulled together in recent years....again, didn't check though.....honest question....is he? Is he "easily"?
 
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jigglysquishy said:
I don't have Barkov anywhere near my top 100. I don't even have him as a top 100 forward.

He's still an absolute lock for the HHOF though. There's over 60 centres in the hall, plus all the active players. It's way harder to be a top 100 player ever than to make the HHOF.
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That was my first thought as well ,although he is still only 30 entering this season and is well on his way to becoming a top 200 player of all time, or top 150 forward assuming some good health.
 
wetcoast said:
That was my first thought as well ,although he is still only 30 entering this season and is well on his way to becoming a top 200 player of all time, or top 150 forward assuming some good health.
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A little thought experiment:

The NHL is a little over 100 years old.

So even a top 200 player would effectively mean that in any given season about 2 of the greatest 200 all time players are playing. Not a perfect straight line but call it a slope on a graph....

Is Barkov the second best player in 2025? Of the recent past 5 seasons?
 
PistolPete said:
A little thought experiment:

The NHL is a little over 100 years old.

So even a top 200 player would effectively mean that in any given season about 2 of the greatest 200 all time players are playing. Not a perfect straight line but call it a slope on a graph....

Is Barkov the second best player in 2025? Of the recent past 5 seasons?
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HHOF is 4 players a year.

The correct question is: Is Barkov one of the top 40 players this past 10 years.


If not, you're gonna need to name 39 better players.
 
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Perfect_Drug said:
HHOF is 4 players a year.

The correct question is: Is Barkov one of the top 40 players this past 10 years.


If not, you're gonna need to name 39 better players
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So a twist on my parameters, eh?

It does highlight a weak point of my thought experiment which was to put him in a stricter context, but yours works equally well.

So, using your parameters, wouldn't that then require us to ask if he's been one of the top 4 players this past decade?
 
Toby91ca said:
Is he easily top 100 all-time? Not disputing that necessarily, but I haven't really put a list together. I'm guessing he's not on the top 100 lists that had been pulled together in recent years....again, didn't check though.....honest question....is he? Is he "easily"?
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After 50 it depends on what you want, after 75 it's starting to become a stretch to say those players are better.
 
PistolPete said:
Team success is not an individual achievement

If that's the case then every 4th line plug on a Cup winner would automatically have to be considered for the HHOF- however fleeting.

And his offensive stats leave a lot to be desired- even by HHOF standards

Is he a potential HHOF candidate? Maybe

A lock? Meh
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Voters put high value on team success for these players

You need to have a mix of team success, individual success and offensive stats to make yourself a slam dunk selection.

Barkov has them all
 
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