Is Attendance overrated?
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and you can easily go sit in lower bowl center ice
The Gr8 Dane
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There's only like 8 fanbases in the league that are crazy about hockey , I think hockey is in a pretty good place in terms of attendance considering a hockey stick and skates runs you 500$. Not to mention an actual ticket for a game is like 200$ lol , For a sport that nobody can participate in its quite popular and doing well
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Pierre-Luc Dubas
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As someone that appreciates the bargain of a generic store brand I take great offense at your comparison to the NHL preseason
Figgy44
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But as you said, it's good bargain (perhaps value) without being the full thing. Or are you saying preseason is not a good value?
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Pierre-Luc Dubas
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Yeah I’m saying preseason is next to worthless. I could see it having value if you have young kids you want to expose to the game but otherwise no point IMO
Attendance is attractive to use as a comparable because it's a nice round number, but it doesn't tell you very much.
Tickets in each section sell for a different price in the same building in the same game, and sometimes the same team sells tickets in those sections at different rates depending on the opponent, or the day of the week. Every team sets prices based on its own market, independently of one another. Then you have a season ticker holder base, which is less sensitive to the team's performance and more reliable revenue. Each team has its own local demand, which determines how many season ticket holders it can rely on, and it must decide how much to charge them.
So it's clear that attendance figures give you a flawed idea of gate revenues. Comparing attendance in one building versus another is pointless, because it doesn't tell you how much money they are making. You need to calculate attendance per section, per game, multiplied by the ticket price, which varies from building to building.
Sometimes setting prices higher and filling a building to 85 percent capacity is going to make you more money than setting prices lower and filling it to capacity.
As for the preseason: In most markets, the only people who attend preseason games are those with full season tickets, which mandate that you buy preseason games. Teams with the demand (and the will to turn over a larger share of their building) to season ticket holders versus walk-ups will have greater attendance in preseason than places with a smaller season ticket base. Only a tiny fraction of NHL cities have so much demand that people will choose to pay NHL prices to attend a preseason game, even at the cut-rate price, especially the early games that are mostly full of prospects.
Tickets in each section sell for a different price in the same building in the same game, and sometimes the same team sells tickets in those sections at different rates depending on the opponent, or the day of the week. Every team sets prices based on its own market, independently of one another. Then you have a season ticker holder base, which is less sensitive to the team's performance and more reliable revenue. Each team has its own local demand, which determines how many season ticket holders it can rely on, and it must decide how much to charge them.
So it's clear that attendance figures give you a flawed idea of gate revenues. Comparing attendance in one building versus another is pointless, because it doesn't tell you how much money they are making. You need to calculate attendance per section, per game, multiplied by the ticket price, which varies from building to building.
Sometimes setting prices higher and filling a building to 85 percent capacity is going to make you more money than setting prices lower and filling it to capacity.
As for the preseason: In most markets, the only people who attend preseason games are those with full season tickets, which mandate that you buy preseason games. Teams with the demand (and the will to turn over a larger share of their building) to season ticket holders versus walk-ups will have greater attendance in preseason than places with a smaller season ticket base. Only a tiny fraction of NHL cities have so much demand that people will choose to pay NHL prices to attend a preseason game, even at the cut-rate price, especially the early games that are mostly full of prospects.
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A full and energized barn makes for a more exciting game. Look back at the Covid games where there were no fans. Boring.
The inferiority complex some American fans have about the stone cold fact that hockey is more popular and lucrative in Canada is dumbfounding to me. Who the f*** cares? Hockey is more popular in Canada, get over it.
Always laugh at the anecdotal attendance comparison from some random sunbelt team to the Jets as some sort of proof that hockey is actually more popular in the states, and actually not as popular as one may think in Canada. The overwhelming record of higher attendance, revenue, and TV ratings in Canada going back decades? Pfft, nothing to see there.
joestevens29
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I mean is it surprising though? For how many years have Canadian fans and media blasted poor markets in the United States?
Does seem likely lately there has been more Canada vs USA on here, but I for one don't really care. Just enjoy watching the sport regardless of nationality or where a team is located. An entertaining hockey player or team is entertaining regardless to me
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OP got this yesterday from a mod, who then closed another thread from OP, this is the fourth thread regarding Canadians recently.
I have to admire your consistency.
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Nice that they gave you computer access, lots of admins just shuffle paper and take calls
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It's interesting how attendance has become "overrated" at the same time Canadian teams have had attendance issues but maybe its just a coincidence.
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Plus parking, concessions and merchandise sales matter so indeed the most amount of asses in seats is desirable
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NHL is more gate driven than the other three major leagues so I wouldn't say attendance is overrated.
Andrei79
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Which hockey stick and skates run you 500$ ? I want your deals man. I got high end skates + sticks (pro stock) on deep discounts and it still came out to almost 900$. Without discount it's close to 2000$.
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I do think the NHL has a couple of pretty hefty TV deals, so attendance is not quite as important as in the past
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Attendance and ticket sales matter a lot to the NHL. It's the biggest chunk of their revenue.
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the average attendee the team couldn't give two franks about.
Zero margins on those guys. The guy who grabs a single beer, and a snack.
It's all about clubs within the stadium.
That's why stadiums are even constructing lower bowl clubs with private elevators and private parking, and yearly memberships that simply allow you buy the tickets.
Zero margins on those guys. The guy who grabs a single beer, and a snack.
It's all about clubs within the stadium.
That's why stadiums are even constructing lower bowl clubs with private elevators and private parking, and yearly memberships that simply allow you buy the tickets.
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