Is a Fire Sale Coming ??

[Sabre the Win]

The “trajectory” they added was dumping a shit ton of money directly into on field production, an option not available in the NHL. Unless you’re Vegas

If we are talking strictly Wrexham, the trajectory and impact the new owners have brought is a prestige with the team, they have managed to sign athletes who otherwise wouldn't be playing in lower leagues. They have had influence using star power themselves to attract other top players.

 

[May Day 10]

I believe at this point, there POHO role is important in the case of the sabres.

The organization is very far gone on all fronts. It has suffered from a lot of really bad structure and hiring that goes back to even before Pegula. Lots of friends and family plans there. Full of Pegula's little discoveries from the bowels of NCAA and USDP. We have a guy they found who was a Buff State assistant coach in charge of an undermanned pro scouting department for example. Amateur scouting isnt better-staffed either.

The job, IMO is too large for a typical General Manager. I would want the general manager being a bit more focused on the team on the ice, at least in the early stages until the foundation of the organization is built up and functional. A POHO can fix the structure and staff it with the right people, who also have experience and expertise to bring to the table. A POHO can also be the guy who speaks with Pegula and is a buffer between him and the rest of the operation, and the GM and coach will not have to speak with the owner every day.

A POHO, IMO, also opens the door to an older hire. While the front end is a bit busy, the job isnt as arduous as a pure General Manager. I would actually prefer the wisdom, credibility, and rolodex of a well respected hockey man in his 70s. The worst part of the job is probably talking to that guy from Boca Raton and dumbing everything down for him

 

[Jim Bob]

I believe at this point, there POHO role is important in the case of the sabres.

The organization is very far gone on all fronts. It has suffered from a lot of really bad structure and hiring that goes back to even before Pegula. Lots of friends and family plans there. Full of Pegula's little discoveries from the bowels of NCAA and USDP. We have a guy they found who was a Buff State assistant coach in charge of an undermanned pro scouting department for example. Amateur scouting isnt better-staffed either.

The job, IMO is too large for a typical General Manager. I would want the general manager being a bit more focused on the team on the ice, at least in the early stages until the foundation of the organization is built up and functional. A POHO can fix the structure and staff it with the right people, who also have experience and expertise to bring to the table. A POHO can also be the guy who speaks with Pegula and is a buffer between him and the rest of the operation, and the GM and coach will not have to speak with the owner every day.

A POHO, IMO, also opens the door to an older hire. While the front end is a bit busy, the job isnt as arduous as a pure General Manager. I would actually prefer the wisdom, credibility, and rolodex of a well respected hockey man in his 70s. The worst part of the job is probably talking to that guy from Boca Raton and dumbing everything down for him

Mike Harrington: The decisions of Terry Pegula, and not Kevyn Adams, are Sabres’ biggest problem

www.sabrespace.com

‘Pegula has long refused the model of having a president of hockey operations because he likes the direct line to the GM. The results say it’s a 14-year mistake he needs to rethink, even if he’s still spooked by whatever version of events you believe happened 11 years ago with Pat LaFontaine. Pegula needs more veteran hockey minds, just like his team needs more veteran players.’

It doesn't matter if fans or media see the value in an experienced POHO to help guide things as long as Terry Pegula prefers a flatter organizational structure without one and he likes his rookie GMs...

 

[May Day 10]

Yes, we all know that which is why the franchise remains hopeless

 

[VaporTrail]

Probably after the season when we finish near the bottom.. you'd think that would be the final straw...I'm rooting for losses not for a tank but for change.

 

[May Day 10]

Probably after the season when we finish near the bottom.. you'd think that would be the final straw...I'm rooting for losses not for a tank but for change.

I'm there too... but I'm close to the point of not even caring.
I do feel like we could be at the precipice of another change, but even if pegula is forced to, it will be a change to just buy themselves a few more years of this same management style/structure

 

[Chainshot]

It really seems like they are two players off from being competitive - a top 2 C and a stopper top 4 defenseman. Tearing holes in the lineup to sell for more youth moves the horizon for being competitive if the usual NHL firesale of trading for futures happens.

Granted, the ownership and management has shown little to make us think they can or will get either of those players.

 

[MOGlLNY]

It really seems like they are two players off from being competitive - a top 2 C and a stopper top 4 defenseman. Tearing holes in the lineup to sell for more youth moves the horizon for being competitive if the usual NHL firesale of trading for futures happens.

Granted, the ownership and management has shown little to make us think they can or will get either of those players.

Giving up on this top end players of this core and starting over would be a grave mistake. Really hope they don’t

 

[Chainshot]

Giving up on this top end players of this core would be a grave mistake

I like their prospect group. I'm not interested in waiting three more years for Helenius or Ostlund to be the 2 or 3 center.

 

[TheMistyStranger]

I like their prospect group. I'm not interested in waiting three more years for Helenius or Ostlund to be the 2 or 3 center.

Then rush them to the NHL and ruin them like Girgensons! Problem solved!

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

If we are talking strictly Wrexham, the trajectory and impact the new owners have brought is a prestige with the team, they have managed to sign athletes who otherwise wouldn't be playing in lower leagues. They have had influence using star power themselves to attract other top players.

Their star power let them circumvent the Financial Fair Play rules. A team's salary cap is determined by its revenue. They also spent an absurd amount on transfers for a lower level team; that's not capped by FFP.

NHL has two quasi loop holes like this, one of which was plugged in no small part because of Pegula.

1. Up front bonus and backdiving contracts
2. Mythical Magical Fairy Tale LTIR

An NHL team can't just directly transfer $ to success in the same way a League 1 or 2 team can in England. We'll see what happens if Wrex goes up to the Championship. The money starts to get real there.

Last year the top two teams spent almost as much as the entirety of League 1 on salary. There are championship players who make more than League 1 teams.

And funny enough, RR is doing something similar to Pegula: selling small parts of the team to minority investors.

 

[joshjull]

I believe at this point, there POHO role is important in the case of the sabres.

The organization is very far gone on all fronts. It has suffered from a lot of really bad structure and hiring that goes back to even before Pegula. Lots of friends and family plans there. Full of Pegula's little discoveries from the bowels of NCAA and USDP. We have a guy they found who was a Buff State assistant coach in charge of an undermanned pro scouting department for example. Amateur scouting isnt better-staffed either.

The job, IMO is too large for a typical General Manager. I would want the general manager being a bit more focused on the team on the ice, at least in the early stages until the foundation of the organization is built up and functional. A POHO can fix the structure and staff it with the right people, who also have experience and expertise to bring to the table. A POHO can also be the guy who speaks with Pegula and is a buffer between him and the rest of the operation, and the GM and coach will not have to speak with the owner every day.

A POHO, IMO, also opens the door to an older hire. While the front end is a bit busy, the job isnt as arduous as a pure General Manager. I would actually prefer the wisdom, credibility, and rolodex of a well respected hockey man in his 70s. The worst part of the job is probably talking to that guy from Boca Raton and dumbing everything down for him

They need to find a smart hockey executive to run hockey ops, preferably one with previous experience at successfully running a hockey ops department. Their job title doesn't matter, nor does their age.

There is also nothing structurally wrong with the front office. Arguably could use more staff. But thats a staffing issue not a structural one.

The only time they had a f***ed up management structure is when Pegula tried to copy what he was doing with the Bills. When he thought Krueger was his McDermott for the Sabres. That was the ridiculous “flat management” structure with Krueger having say over the roster and answering directly to Pegula, not Adams.

 

[K8fool]

Giving up on this top end players of this core and starting over would be a grave mistake. Really hope they don’t

This is the simple truth as teams and idiotic fan bases try to steal real talent on this team adjusting to a non country club coach

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I saw some idiotic Friedman trade of giving power and tage to red wings for copp and husso ,? hilarious scum

power will be a great 2d w dahlin and a vet D to pair w each to be physical and cover his ( young Owen ) stick checking pansy asz that will improve over time


trading him for something other than a letang and another less bright d star, powers age is insanity


trading tage is insanity,,, unless you get kaprizov or a entire second line of underperforming 25 to 29 year vets that ALL BRING IT like zucker every night insanity

I would trade tage for eichel.

trading Quinn is total insanity , he could be a top 20 player in the league if he continues to get his confidence andvswagger back from two major injuries and RUFF righteous demands

cozens, actually hammered a couple guys past two games, we better get a tough first line wing scorer or established 2nd line center (way better than shite copp) under contract for 5 years equivalent to head case Ryan oreilly in hockey ability and sense ( who was excellent around stronger personalities than his f***ed up self and idiotic insane brother)

tuch is a good complimentary player w a tage and a tough power forward, great player on a winning team but disappears having to carry load alone , I like him on that winning squad

I'm never trading Benson he's cheap and would decpitate himself to make a play... same w peterka as he finds his proper place .

kevyn should NOT BE trusted neither should pegs to trade anyone although I don't think Colorado or Us lost in Byram or Mitts trade two guys that don't enjoy contact ala BECK MOFO zMakenstyn


this Fire Sale thread should be BURNED F THAT


WE HAVE A NONCHALANCE AND CHEMISTRY AND ACCOUNTABILITY ISSUES

Adams totally screwed by big contracts to young players ( THAT hadn't WON YET) like VA massive overreaction to reading Hockey GM for Dummies after the Reinhart contract) Bridges or incentives for playoffs etc are as ridiculous as being worked to KISS Devin LEVI ass.



I think we possibly have big hearts not ready to shoulder the responsibility of doing their own frigging laundry like a Jason ZUCKER

So Kevyn ya shite bring vets in for each GREENIE so they can just play and have their own Zucker good enough to hang you f***ed up getting drury or necas and probably got played by a smarter GM because he knew you'd be good unless YA GOT NOTHING AND LOST AT POKER KEV I COULD DO YOUR JOB BETTER

THIS IS one the key times in the history of this formerly great franchise to restore it teams Fookin hating to play here or destroying what Adams and Karmanos assembly of players to build a team and farm club bit need real ASSESSMENT TO SUBTRACT THE CORRECT ... ONE OR TWO and add the correct 3 player vets to have a perennial winner like the Bills


Tage could be Josh if surrounded by psychotic guys committed to winning that the never geeks he's alone not hard Look at Tampa roster construction

If Dahlin great player but does the dumbest shite not clearing puck out leads directly to goal that's 2 to 2 in st Louis if kevyn you stupid shite traded two prospect and a first to pry 4 years of a victor hedman to play and shame Dahlin we'd have the greatest pairing on D ever


I'm not a GM but having three heart guys like briere drury foligno ADDED TO THIS GROUP ONLY SUBTRACTING COZENS jokiharu and someone else we have deep playoff team HELPING THE YOUNG PAMPERED TALENT


LOOK AT OWEN POWER called out past 7 games and his improvement w his shortcomings peed sheets on display He's been IMPROVING


LOOK at Quinn w
watching benched or healing and he's a FORCE AGAIN

FOOK YOU JACK BABY EICHEL TEACHING GUYS TO PLAY THERE WAY OUT


I like the no trade unless you win and fight mantra maybe pegs nailed it w RUFF kevyn is a weasel can he and karmanos pick talent Kulich looks like the RIGHT type of buffalo sabre


let's see these kids play their way out of their own whole and bring in TWO GREAT PLAYERS as shining examples to nix the nonchalance and still play confident and free having their backs , one or two forwards one vet D hopefully dahlin and power are in F%CKIN AWE OF


AND WE HAVE THE OLD SABRES BACK


EAT IT W THE FIRE SALE

 

[K8fool]

APOLOGIES ABOUT LONG RANT above horrible thread


summary Adams acquires a great D w attention to detail for big price ( Hedman for byram a two first and great prospect) or anyone Mr nonchalance Dahlin will emulate and or power Hey Jim shoenfeld you still in shape

Adams ya dick you got abused by Carolina non friend and no drury or necas so you quit another great forward Big Personality aligned w RUFF , w PURE WILL and scorer like the two you were never getting and got played by SMARTER GM , we are top 4 TEAM with the roster we have now minus only one d and one forward W THE RIGHT HIGH END ADDS


ya fooked us we aren't bad just OVERPAY and add don't sell low or you're the worst stock broker in the history of competition f u

 

[K8fool]

APOLOGIES ABOUT LONG RANT

summary Adams acquires a great D w attention to detail for big price ( Hedman for byram a two first and great prospect) or anyone Mr nonchalance Dahlin will emulate and or power Hey Jim shoenfeld you still in shape

Adams ya dick you got abused by Carolina non friend and no drury or necas so you quit another great forward w PURE WILL we are top 4 with the roster we have now minus only one d and one forward


ya fooked us we aren't bad just OVERPAY and add don't sell low or you're the worst stock broker in the history of competition f u


To OP thread troll

HEY yultron you a troll from rangers or Detroit eat a bag of d!cks

maybe u advise releasing UPL too ya tool