Interesting Info: Part XXII (Jackets-related "tidbits" here)

[Cowumbus]

We had damned well be better in 3-5 years so why take on a bad contract that lasts that long?

My comment is on DW saying the team should be competitive in 3-5 years and pushing for the playoffs.
I was hoping that would be next season…

I think we all know not to take on bad deals that last more than a couple years.

The more interesting case is what do we do if we have a chance to sign a player like Rantanen or Marner in FA? Would that even be worth it? The main thing I'd want to avoid is a Tavares type situation that has handcuffed the Leafs.

Rantanen yes.
Marner, prob not.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

My comment is on DW saying the team should be competitive in 3-5 years and pushing for the playoffs.
I was hoping that would be next season…


Rantanen yes.
Marner, prob not.

To be fair. He didn't say they wouldn't be. He just said he doesn't want a bad contract that lasts in the 3-5 year window that could potentially prevent us from an extended window of being competitive during that time.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

The answer is Carey Price.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Rantanen yes.
Marner, prob not.

obviously i wouldn't say no to either of these guys but i don't get how anyone can look at the way guys like kj and chinakhov have played under dean evason and conclude that this team shouldn't pursue mitch marner.

the guy would be an absolute demon in this system.

 

[Forepar]

My comment is on DW saying the team should be competitive in 3-5 years and pushing for the playoffs.
I was hoping that would be next season…


Rantanen yes.
Marner, prob not.

Especially not sold on Marner....don't see enough of him, but what I do see, our forwards eat him up.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

I think we all know not to take on bad deals that last more than a couple years.

The more interesting case is what do we do if we have a chance to sign a player like Rantanen or Marner in FA? Would that even be worth it? The main thing I'd want to avoid is a Tavares type situation that has handcuffed the Leafs.

I'll comment on Marner.

I was very high on him when I thought the Leafs might get rid of him after the protracted contract battle. I'm not so sure now.

He's put up very nice numbers with Toronto. One mustn't discount the positive effect on his stats that playing with the best goal scorer in the game (Matthews) has had on his stats. Also, his playoff stats are nothing to write home about (50 points in 57 games).

He'll be very expensive and I think that the Toronto experience has taken a toll on his pysche-like it does a lot of players. I don't sense leadership quality from him-he doesn't seem like the guy you'd want to make the centerpiece of a team.

I doubt he'd match his Toronto numbers here and combine that with the cost and IMO the likelihood that he's already hit his peak productivity I'd probably be inclined not to pursue him in FA.

 

[majormajor]

I think Marner would be great here but I also think we have young players coming up who will also be great. And unfortunately we don't have any of these kids signed long term, they're likely to cost a lot on long term deals. So signing someone like Marner or Rantanen likely means giving up on some great home grown talent and letting it leave town. And neither one of those guys are helpful when it comes to leadership / grit / consistent work ethic.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

nm

 

[VT]

This is what happens when a cat lover and at the same time a Columbus Blue Jackets fan gets into "AI" while being a total novice.

 

[Cowumbus]

obviously i wouldn't say no to either of these guys but i don't get how anyone can look at the way guys like kj and chinakhov have played under dean evason and conclude that this team shouldn't pursue mitch marner.

the guy would be an absolute demon in this system.

Because, before going into all his other flaws, Marner admitted to not wanting to play here. Give me the guy that’s bigger and has actually won - though I don’t expect to acquire either.

 

[SteelCityCannon]

Apparently Bjorkstrand is a healthy scratch tonight....

Bring him home?

 

[BOTH]

This is what happens when a cat lover and at the same time a Columbus Blue Jackets fan gets into "AI" while being a total novice.


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Working in the machine learning world now, its really cool to see folks have access to these stable diffusion models. The cat reminds me of ours where our 3 year old put her in the crib for bedtime. Not hockey related but figured I'd share...but if anyone wants to talk AI/ML, please reach out. I'll digress here for the mods.

 

[majormajor]

Working in the machine learning world now, its really cool to see folks have access to these stable diffusion models. The cat reminds me of ours where our 3 year old put her in the crib for bedtime. Not hockey related but figured I'd share...but if anyone wants to talk AI/ML, please reach out. I'll digress here for the mods.View attachment 927449

We have enough orange cat lovers that you can always do orange cat posting here, and I bet the mods will let you get away with machine learning / AI stuff too.

How big of a problem is AI pulling from other AI? Also when are they going to release reliable tools to detect AI writing? I'm a professor and this is a huge problem for us.

 

[NotWendell]

We have enough orange cat lovers that you can always do orange cat posting here, and I bet the mods will let you get away with machine learning / AI stuff too.

How big of a problem is AI pulling from other AI? Also when are they going to release reliable tools to detect AI writing? I'm a professor and this is a huge problem for us.

They already have decent tools for evaluating the percentage of text that was probably AI-written. It's not perfect.

 

[majormajor]

It's not perfect.

That's the problem. You can't give a bad grade for using AI if the detection tool gives occasional false positives. I've heard there are reliable tools that haven't been released yet. For now students make it so obvious sometimes that you don't need a special tool to figure it out - I just got half a dozen papers that concluded with the phrase "my aunt is a shining example of economic resilience".

 

[BOTH]

We have enough orange cat lovers that you can always do orange cat posting here, and I bet the mods will let you get away with machine learning / AI stuff too.

How big of a problem is AI pulling from other AI? Also when are they going to release reliable tools to detect AI writing? I'm a professor and this is a huge problem for us.

Fair enough

"Trustworthy" AI is a really big concern. These large language models like ChatGPT ingest massive amounts of data and where do they get it from...scraping the internet. Now regardless of how you feel about things, one way or another, that data probably needs to be curated...and even in that you can say you can be placing bias on the model. Which leads into AI pulling from AI...its not magic, its statistics and math providing its best representation of what you say the world is, based on the dataset you give it. If its all feeding from the same source...I haven't focused on that extensively but its going to infer based on what you've already trained the model on. I also don't envy you, especially if you're dealing with a massive quantity of students. I think at the moment most of the plagiarism stuff just looks for matches to references on the internet.

That's the problem. You can't give a bad grade for using AI if the detection tool gives occasional false positives. I've heard there are reliable tools that haven't been released yet. For now students make it so obvious sometimes that you don't need a special tool to figure it out - I just got half a dozen papers that concluded with the phrase "my aunt is a shining example of economic resilience".

Have you tried, and I kid you not, copy+paste verbatim your syllabus and your assignment instructions into ChatGPT? The last part of what you said makes me think that's what happened, and if you can make it regurgitate what you quoted...its not a great answer, but for the blatant cases, I think its useful. A smart student can explain what they wrote, a dumb dumb can't.