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IIHF New Rule: Late Hite Rule #153

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Uh... wow. If that's how they plan to call this I see 2 things happening
> approximately 10% of the game will be played 5v5
> there are going to be some *really* short benches by the end of the games
 
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I'm guessing this isn't going to go over well, but I don't think I have a problem with it... I'll need to see it in action though.

I think it's getting back to the root idea of the sport: You're allowed to hit the guy with the puck to make a defensive play. You need a very small window for not being able to INSTANTLY stop or change direction, but I think in all those examples those guys made a conscious decision to hit a player that no longer had the puck. Just have to adapt and accept the new rule and it should be fine.
 
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Hockey refereeing is largely discretionary. If they call it by the book then of course it will be ridiculous, but I believe they will only use such a call in places where a player clearly violates fairness or endangers player health and safety.
 
More game stoppages than the NFL if they call it that closely.

They might end up with more injuries if players have to bail on a hit at the last half-second like in the first 2 examples.
 
There's a point where either you let the players acknowledge the risks of the sport and let them play, or you just destroy the sport altogether. There's a fine line we're straddling here.

Objectively, we are all seemingly able to see when a hit is "dirty" or not, but we aren't able to gather intent.
 
So goalie on goalie is going to be a thing when all players from both teams are in the penalty box within 2 minutes of the first game correct?

This is a joke, especially the majors. Become more stricter on the rules fine, but you can't be calling majors for things that weren't even penalties last year and most would call completely normal. If there's something really dangerous sure, but they're going to be calling majors for things that shouldn't even be penalties in most cases.
 
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So goalie on goalie is going to be a thing when all players from both teams are in the penalty box within 2 minutes of the first game correct?

This is a joke, especially the majors. Become more stricter on the rules fine, but you can't be calling majors for things that weren't even penalties last year and most would call completely normal. If there's something really dangerous sure, but they're going to be calling majors for things that shouldn't even be penalties in most cases.
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Yeah it is literally changing the game of hockey. People complaining about the NHL getting to soft....
IIHF says hold my god damned beer!
 
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It's definitely going to be an adjustment.

In my opinion, this is how the game should be played. I've never liked the whole finishing your check thing. Hitting should be used only to remove the player from the puck, nothing else. This is how the game will be played 10+ years from now everywhere. But yes, this is a crazy jump from what the IIHF rules were before. There are going to be so many penalties.
 
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oooooooooohCanada said:
It's definitely going to be an adjustment.

In my opinion, this is how the game should be played. I've never liked the whole finishing your check thing. Hitting should be used only to remove the player from the puck, nothing else. This is how the game will be played 10+ years from now everywhere. But yes, this is a crazy jump from what the IIHF rules were before. There are going to be so many penalties.
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Wait....so you actually think that first example should be a penalty? Seriously?
 
TheBeastCoast said:
Wait....so you actually think that first example should be a penalty? Seriously?
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I don't agree with simply changing the rule just like that, but yes, that shouldn't be allowed long term. Removing as much unnecessary hits as possible would be my goal. Look around at a lot of the suspensions and such in the league. They are often hits that involve a late hit and contributes nothing to the actual game other than sending messages and such. Ideally the only time a player is legal to be hit is when they have the puck. Remove the grey area like what the IIHF is doing. It'll be an adjustment but you'll soon have a game that has fewer head injuries and less guys running around like Tom Wilson and Ryan Reaves.
 
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oooooooooohCanada said:
I don't agree with simply changing the rule just like that, but yes, that shouldn't be allowed long term. Removing as much unnecessary hits as possible would be my goal. Look around at a lot of the suspensions and such in the league. They are often hits that involve a late hit and contributes nothing to the actual game other than sending messages and such. Ideally the only time a player is legal to be hit is when they have the puck. Remove the grey area like what the IIHF is doing. It'll be an adjustment but you'll soon have a game that has fewer head injuries and less guys running around like Tom Wilson and Ryan Reaves.
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That....isn't hockey. It is awfully easy to sit on a computer and say there should never be a grey area and to super slo-mo every single hit on a forecheck down to frame by frame but in real time that first example was a blink of an eye from the time the puck was on the stick and released to the time the player was hit. Now how do you reasonably expect a pressuring player to be able to handle a situation like that if they have literally zero time to play with after the puck is released? It is an entirely unrealistic standard to set and one most likely set by a group of suits in a board room watching plays at .25 speed.
 
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Some thoughts:
- Looks like a lot of players will have to run into the board/glass to avoid a penalty
- Awareness of your surroundings no longer seems to be a required quality to play hockey
- What stops a player from getting rid of the puck just before an inevitable hit is about to happen?
- No hitting hockey will come from international hockey
 
There's no real such thing as having hitting but not having slightly late hitting. That's not how physics works. If you try to hit someone, they let go of the puck, you can't teleport away or something. Especially if you're fast, which is something that is highly valued in the modern game, you've got a lot of momentum going in one direction. If you try to lunge to the right or to the left you could lose your balance.

I have no problem with the rule so long as they use it with discretion. Some coach said, and I agree, all the rules in the hockey rule book if called to a T could result in a penalty every shift. The job of a ref is to manage the game so that players taking dangerous or malicious actions be discouraged from doing so. The current rule book is already easily sufficient for individuals like Tom Wilson and Ryan Reaves.
 
Wow.

And that's how you removing hitting from the game people.

Players with the puck, that are going to get hit, now can ditch the puck and get their team a 2 minute power-play! After a while, no one will go for any type of hit, ever.
 
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If they call the 2 minute penalty based on the first example and a major based on the example of Myers getting hit, this will be a long tournament.
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In the third example Myers reverses the puck because he sees the hit coming. How is that "not aware" of the hit?
 
TheBeastCoast said:
That....isn't hockey. It is awfully easy to sit on a computer and say there should never be a grey area and to super slo-mo every single hit on a forecheck down to frame by frame but in real time that first example was a blink of an eye from the time the puck was on the stick and released to the time the player was hit. Now how do you reasonably expect a pressuring player to be able to handle a situation like that if they have literally zero time to play with after the puck is released? It is an entirely unrealistic standard to set and one most likely set by a group of suits in a board room watching plays at .25 speed.
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Hockey is about putting the puck into the net more times than the other team, not trying to give people concussions. Players will adapt to this over time. Maybe they'll lose fans such as yourself, but the players will be safer and the game will be more skilled.
 
oooooooooohCanada said:
Hockey is about putting the puck into the net more times than the other team, not trying to give people concussions. Players will adapt to this over time. Maybe they'll lose fans such as yourself, but the players will be safer and the game will be more skilled.
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You kinda jumped right over my entire point. I specifically asked you how a play like that can reasonably be expected to not be made without fully just taking hitting out of hockey. If you would rather not that's fair you are entitled to hate all physical contact but there really isn't much point in continuing this lol but to act like hitting isn't a part of hockey is rather ridiculous.
 
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oooooooooohCanada said:
Hockey is about putting the puck into the net more times than the other team, not trying to give people concussions. Players will adapt to this over time. Maybe they'll lose fans such as yourself, but the players will be safer and the game will be more skilled.
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You're intentionally trying to ignore the clear dichotomy, though you're not even making an attempt to argue it's false. Because I think in your head you still have this ridiculous fantasy of a hockey where the only hits are those of players with the puck and everything else stays the same.

Please do yourself a favor and actually try that sometime. Get on a scooter or a moped, something that goes 25 mph, and rush at something along a wall, and try to change directions at the very last moment. Or even, try running at the wall full speed, and changing direction within 2 meters of the wall. You'll only go probably 60% of the velocity of an NHL skater, maybe less if you're old or you're young, see if you don't hurt yourself.

P=MV
M = mass
V = velocity

Nathan MacKinnon is 205 pounds. Can go up to 25 mph without the puck. That's a lot of momentum, and he's got good edges but he's not superman. Players will just have to stop trying to hit other players. There's no middle ground.

Now I'm not worried about this rule because the rules have already been in place for the lower division WJCs I think, and basically nothing different. Refs will use discretion to call these penalties.

But there is a fantasy of hockey with only "purposeful" hitting, a "skill game" which players will "adapt to." They will adapt, in a sense, the fast ones who try hits will get ugly injuries and then no one will hit. But the goldilocks zone, it doesn't exist. The game is fine as it is. You complain about Ryan Reaves and Tom Wilson. Those are two guys, who get penalized and suspended regularly under existing rules. They're not the reason to change anything.
 
So basically the 1st example tells us that even if you see someone is coming to hit you, if you're able to move the puck fast enough before contact you can get a PP out of it.

What a joke. IIHF refs were already bad enough, this is going to make the game potentially unwatchable.
 
It was Ken Dryden who was asking Bettman to enforce their own rule and start calling interference. Please read his book called Game Change.
 
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