HatTrick Swayze
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There’s just no justification for giving him a contract that resets the goalie market to the degree he is seeking.
Player Discussion Igor Shesterkin
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Sometime last year I started noticing the goals he gives up are some of the softest goals I’ve ever seen. It was crazy to see in comparison to some of the insane saves he makes.
McRanger92
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If a team is willing to trade a starter making a more reasonable AAV and a pick for Igor as rental, they need to consider their options
He needs to sign with a team like the Avs that would be so far ahead in the games that his softies won't matter. But you die on your hill. It's always everyone's fault but the goalies with this franchise.
That Vezina season is starting to look like the outlier (which is fair enough, he was lights out all year).
His other seasons as starter have SV% of .916, .916, .912 and .913 so far this season. None of which screams '$11m+'
He's a good goalie, and he can a game breaker at times, but you can't invest that kind of $$ for that expected return
His other seasons as starter have SV% of .916, .916, .912 and .913 so far this season. None of which screams '$11m+'
He's a good goalie, and he can a game breaker at times, but you can't invest that kind of $$ for that expected return
Hire Sather
He Is Our Star
And there wasn't even before his struggles.
No goalie is worth his ask, even if he ends up getting it.
Eventually goalies will be viewed like running backs in the NFL. I'm sure some organizations already feel this way
TheWrongWay
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They'll be lucky to be a wildcard team this season with him here. I don't see a difference.
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Mike in Houston
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Igor is now in the throws of a career long five game losing streak. Even when we first called him up during the rebuild he never lost this many straight. WOOF!
He should've signed that $11.5M contract when it was first presented to him.
He should've signed that $11.5M contract when it was first presented to him.
where is the guy that corrected my post when i said igor is a very good goalie- he said great and worth 12+million.
He simply isn’t a game breaker or consistent. Period. He hasn’t won us a playoff series… not like henrick and not like richter. He deserves 8.5 innline with swayman and oettinger- two guys who HAVE WON
He simply isn’t a game breaker or consistent. Period. He hasn’t won us a playoff series… not like henrick and not like richter. He deserves 8.5 innline with swayman and oettinger- two guys who HAVE WON
SA16
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I would imagine signing the biggest goalie contract in league history, which he thinks he deserves, would be a pretty large motive?
McRanger92
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Money aint as much of a motivator as it once was, I guess. This team isnt letting their shit play or mean GM ruin their Christmas.
He's a media and fan creation. To his credit he doesn't have the God awful games Hank used to have in the playoffs. But he's not nearly as good as people say. Rarely shuts the door and often gives up softies, often at the worst times.
The Crypto Guy
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Yea, Igor is to blame for sure.
Literally no one is saying that it's all his fault. But he also is lagging in goals saved above expected. He's 13th in goals saved above expected according to Moneypuck, playing more games than most goalies.
The Crypto Guy
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He's played 18 games, 20 goalies have played at least 16. He's not playing that many more games.
Any Rangers fan who was here for the Lundqvist era that wants to give Shesterkin 11M+ for 8 years is insane. That has nothing to do with whether Shesterkin is great or worth that much. It has to do with the fact that we have watched this exact film before and know how it ends. Poorly constructed and flawed roster that isn’t good enough to win it all despite an elite, possibly the best, goalie spends a decade making the playoffs but never improving enough to get over the hump, while along the way drafting in the 20s every year and spending youth and assets constantly trying to buy the missing piece of the puzzle until the cupboard is pretty bare, the goalie is no longer elite and all of it was futile. You can be the biggest Shesterkin fan there is and still understand that this team shouldn’t sign him or they will constantly labor under the delusion that they’re actually a contender when they will always be a pretender at best. The flaws NEED to stop being masked by elite goaltending.
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He had a shit game yesterday, but Igor is absolutely elite. That's not up for debate.
Saying he's merely "average" outside of that Vezina season is borderline 'cray.
We all bitch about how bad the Rangers defense is/has been, so you can't just look at SV%. When you look at all the analytics based on the chances he has to face, he's undoubtedly an elite goaltender.
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However, that does not mean you should or will pay him, or any goaltender what he is asking for. Two totally different things being conflated here.
Saying he's merely "average" outside of that Vezina season is borderline 'cray.
We all bitch about how bad the Rangers defense is/has been, so you can't just look at SV%. When you look at all the analytics based on the chances he has to face, he's undoubtedly an elite goaltender.
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However, that does not mean you should or will pay him, or any goaltender what he is asking for. Two totally different things being conflated here.
The Crypto Guy
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So, then how does not signing an all-star goalie make us better?
We still need to then sign another goalie, that will cost around 5M if you want anything close to decent.
Leaves us with 6M more than we would have if we dont sign Igor.
What are we getting with that 6M that will magically make the team more complete? A 2nd line player? A top 4 Dman? (Just 1, not both).
So are we a better team with:
An elite goalie, who has stepped up countless times in the playoffs and has the best playoff goaltending stats over the last 3 years.
or
An average goalie, who we hope doesn't shit the bed like countless goalies do in the playoffs, and a 2nd line player(or top 4 dman)?
This is why you sign Igor.
The Lundqivst era has literally zero to do with anything.
Ok, he's played more games than a bunch of guys behind him and that stat is very sensitive to games played. And regardless he's 13th, not anywhere close to how high he and his agent and apparently this board value him. If he wants to take the 13th highest AAV I would be all for it. But he wants the highest in history and by far the highest in the NHL.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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yeah but even the old head meat brains in the NFL are far more ahead of the curve than NHL people so it’ll prob take another 20 years for teams to realize this
First, you’d be trading him so we’re getting a return back, not just cap space. No one is saying let him walk. Second, even if you ended up with an 8M goalie, I will gladly take 4M extra to go shopping with. That doesn’t mean you’re adding a 4M player. It means you have an additional 4M available. Let’s say you had 6M available to sign free agents. Well, having 10M is better. Whether that’s adding an elite player you wouldn’t have been able to afford or two 5M defenders or whatever.
I feel like you’re not really humoring the concept. It isn’t “will we be better with a 6M goalie and a 5M player”? It’s would we be better with a 6M goalie, a large package that Shesterkin nets us (which we can flip alongside other assets, like Miller + Otthman + 1st from Shesty trade to get more quality players), plus the additional 5-6M cap space that isn’t tied up in goal which can be used to upgrade other areas of the roster.
It’s not only Shesterkin’s cap space you’re working with. If you save 5M on a goalie and you had 7M available (we don’t know what will happen re: Kreider, Trouba, Miller, Lindgren, etc. so we don’t know how much cap we will have + rising cap) then you have 12M to work with. With 7M total and a need to add a winger and a D you are looking at 3.5M per player. With 12M total you’re looking at 6M per player or a 7M forward and a 5M D. Yeah, I think one could argue that it may make us better. Goaltending is not the position to invest heavily in.
I mean, there’s also the not so unpopular opinion that we’re also better off not making the playoffs again until the roster has been thoroughly reworked, and having Igor be the only reason we’re drafting 22nd instead of 9th while we pay him huge money to waste his prime is the exact path that got us to the current version of this team.
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The team is way closer to needing a rebuild over the next 8 years than it is to winning a cup with Igor making $12M. They don’t need him around making it harder on themselves.
ReddestRum
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Wake me up when the org decides it really wants to rebuild, instead of half-assed changes where we want to keep pushing for the cup. Otherwise, we're going to keep offering for Igor. The decision isn't if we'd pay him or not. The decision is if he's going to want to play for a shit team that's in a rebuild for a decade or a shit team trying to win it all, but continues to play beer league defense in front of him.
Oh poor baby. Maybe he can think of what decision he'll make during the 20 games a season he takes off in net.
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