If you were Brad…

[nuck]

And if the answer is, "no thanks, I'll just play, we'll talk later if you change your mind about contract"? ..then what?

Because an F U take it leave it response to an F U take it or leave it offer isn't really unreasonable.

Me, honestly, that would be my response lol. That's me though, I don't like ultimatums, particularly ones where I have the leverage, because that's a ridiculous negotiating attempt against me that is pretty much offensive, now I'm ticked.

I think they knew before the deadline they could handle what AMs minimum ask is, if they had to. They kept his coach around, they added Doan, they brought in some forwards who could be more impactful that the guys who left, and the team is tougher so he won't have to be. A number of small positive things, plus they are apparently serious about running back the core guys or are at least sending that message. They will likely get some small concessions from him but will agree on a contract that we will all say is too short and for too much.

Once AM's deal is finalized they will use that as the reason why they can't afford Willie and we will see him dealt. AM would have gotten the club pennies on the dollar so Willies return against value to the club makes him the obvious choice. I don't think Dubas had some kind of special relationship with Matthews except to bend over the first time, but I do think he had to have a plan of attack for this summer which Tre may or may not be using, as at least some of the AGMs must have been in discussions with him about that.

With Willie and Mitch not stepping into their NM/NTs the club would have had many more options and more power. But with Willie having the NT, dealing AM would have give him the keys to the vault.

The time for an ultimatum on 34 was before the NM kicked in. They know his range and they are going to work with it.

 

[darrylsittler27]

I'd dump as many small soft Dubas picks as possible.Horniven dusted, concussion. As we have seen, small soft players like Marner cost too and can't handle the playoffs. They often get injured by bigger players. I'd dump Marner and keep Nylander but I'm not going over 9. The team has no cap to build the team we need to get out of the East.

 

[Leafshater67]

If I were Treliving, I would trade Nylander for a stud RHD like Doughty.

Nylander's value is at its highest. He's also older than Matthews and Marner. Nylander's performance has also peaked already.

He's not gonna get any better.

He can't drive his own line. Keefe obviously feels the same way. If Keefe thought Nylander could drive his own line he would be.

He's all rush offense.

A one trick pony. He's very good at his one trick. But it's still the only trick he knows.

The opposite of Kampf, Nylander is a black hole defensively.

Drew Doughty is an awesome defenseman though. The team has been lacking a proper 1RHD for years. It was an area Dubas willfully neglected.

I'd really like to see Treliving fix that.

You don’t have to win a championship to be a leader. All you have to do is rise to every occasion, give your best effort, and do everything you can to help your team succeed. Does that sound like a description of Nylander to you?

It doesn't to me.

It sounds a lot like Drew Doughty though.

I agree with you but Doughty has lost a step and makes 11m in the twilight of his career. Having two players who have lost steps paid 11m is a recipe for disaster.

Brett Pesce is probably available. I’d be trying to move Nylander for him. He’s pretty much exactly what they need - a top pairing RD who can play a shutdown role. I bet he’d be cheaper to resign than Willy too giving them more room to pick up depth pieces.

 

[The Best Leafs Everr]

If I was Brad, I would fire myself and retire on a nice island.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

I agree with you but Doughty has lost a step and makes 11m in the twilight of his career. Having two players who have lost steps paid 11m is a recipe for disaster.

Brett Pesce is probably available. I’d be trying to move Nylander for him. He’s pretty much exactly what they need - a top pairing RD who can play a shutdown role. I bet he’d be cheaper to resign than Willy too giving them more room to pick up depth pieces.

Thanks for the response.

You're right about old man Doughty. He's a has-been. Pesce would be a nice add,

But is he really the stud 1RHD that can take them from pretender to contender?

He's better than Doughty, no doubt, but man I just really wish they could get a hands down, no doubt, stud 1RHD in his prime. They haven't had someone like that on the team for decades. The dream is to see Treliving dump Nylander for a young up and coming stud RHD.

That's never gonna happen though.

 

[Leafshater67]

Thanks for the response.

You're right about old man Doughty. He's a has-been. Pesce would be a nice add,

But is he really the stud 1RHD that can take them from pretender to contender?

He's better than Doughty, no doubt, but man I just really wish they could get a hands down, no doubt, stud 1RHD in his prime. They haven't had someone like that on the team for decades. The dream is to see Treliving dump Nylander for a young up and coming stud RHD.

That's never gonna happen though.

Nope so Pesce is a good, attainable option. Their D is not bad, I believe adding Bertuzzi and Domi will give them some much needed jam in their top 6 along with the emergence of Knies.

 

[banks]

If I was Brad, I would fire myself and retire on a nice island.

Great idea. But why not at least make some baller moves before going out?

 

[nuck]

What would you do if you were Brad? What moves to be a cap compliant team ?

Everything ties to Nylander I think. I am assuming they don't resign him at too high a cost so his potential trade controls what further net cap space they gain after such a deal. If they sincerely want to keep the band together and Willie stays, they will have to make a couple of big moves involving assets to dump salary. Murray will be bought out because they can deal with $600k this year. Much cheaper to maybe deal Jarnkrok with a slight sweetener (if necessary, because he had a good year) and his salary to deal with Murray's $2M next year. Brodie would need to go too or they can't afford Samy and if Willie stays they would not be able to add another RD as a possible Reilly partner.

If they move Willie, they still buy out Murray, they trade Jarnkrok because there will be zero top 6 minutes for him, and Robertson would be given a big chance to supplant him on the 3rd line. The Willie deal brings back a cheaper RD to replace Brodie.

I actually like Jarn and Brodie but if there is no money, that's where they find it. Brodie might have been dealt for a positive return but Kyle backloaded him for some reason so thats a $7.5M salary with no bonus to reduce the hit and another sweetener required.

The above assumes Muzz LTIRs his last year. Still seems to leave questionable grit and defence on the right side but the club obviously don't think so or they would have added something other than Klinger. There will be a shot for another Marlie forward to maybe break in with a big camp.

Things work better if Willies $6.9 is replaced with something lower. They get worse if there is no interest in a $7.5M Brodie. And they get twilight zone if the can't get Samy at a reasonable number and we get the return of Murray and Woll with one of the two non roster Russians as the #3.

 

[glue]

Ah yes, contract advice from people who likely can’t negotiate a shopping list at the grocery store

Ah yes..arrogance from random guy on the internet who knows nothing about me..your opinion is no further superior than mine or any other dude here

 

[glue]

And if the answer is, "no thanks, I'll just play, we'll talk later if you change your mind about contract"? ..then what?

Because an F U take it leave it response to an F U take it or leave it offer isn't really unreasonable.

Me, honestly, that would be my response lol. That's me though, I don't like ultimatums, particularly ones where I have the leverage, because that's a ridiculous negotiating attempt against me that is pretty much offensive, now I'm ticked.

Yeah that’s fair, I guess we can thank Dubas for giving him that NMC. That said BT could have done that prior to July 1st but in fairness it wasn’t enough time since he took over. Also, this isn’t literal, obviously he would be smart to show some diplomacy. Maybe approach it more as “we obviously want you here Austin, but our top priority is putting together a team that is able to win consistently in the playoffs and that will require our top players to atleast have salaries comparable to other teams top players. Unfortunately we pay you 13 mil it won’t allow that. Of course we would be more willing to accommodate if you signed for 7-8 years”

 

[Nylanderthal]

I'd dump as many small soft Dubas picks as possible.Horniven dusted, concussion. As we have seen, small soft players like Marner cost too and can't handle the playoffs. They often get injured by bigger players. I'd dump Marner and keep Nylander but I'm not going over 9. The team has no cap to build the team we need to get out of the East.

A small forward just won the conn smythe

 

[TheGreenTBer]

If I were Treliving, I would trade Nylander for a stud RHD like Doughty.

Nylander's value is at its highest. He's also older than Matthews and Marner. Nylander's performance has also peaked already.

He's not gonna get any better.

He can't drive his own line. Keefe obviously feels the same way. If Keefe thought Nylander could drive his own line he would be.

He's all rush offense.

A one trick pony. He's very good at his one trick. But it's still the only trick he knows.

The opposite of Kampf, Nylander is a black hole defensively.

Drew Doughty is an awesome defenseman though. The team has been lacking a proper 1RHD for years. It was an area Dubas willfully neglected.

I'd really like to see Treliving fix that.

You don’t have to win a championship to be a leader. All you have to do is rise to every occasion, give your best effort, and do everything you can to help your team succeed. Does that sound like a description of Nylander to you?

It doesn't to me.

It sounds a lot like Drew Doughty though.

Assuming he'd even want to come here (which has been rumored to not be the case) where and how do you fit DD cap-wise even with WN's money out?

Also, LA is in win-now mode and wouldn't be looking to move Doughty. They don't have a lot of cap room either.

 

[Nineteen67]

Assuming he'd even want to come here (which has been rumored to not be the case) where and how do you fit DD cap-wise even with WN's money out?

Also, LA is in win-now mode and wouldn't be looking to move Doughty. They don't have a lot of cap room either.

And he’s 33

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Assuming he'd even want to come here (which has been rumored to not be the case) where and how do you fit DD cap-wise even with WN's money out?

Also, LA is in win-now mode and wouldn't be looking to move Doughty. They don't have a lot of cap room either.

This was a hypothetical.

Old man Doughty is just the example I used to illustrate the point I really wanted to make that 1RHD has been a sore spot for decades. I would really like to see Treliving properly address it after having watched Dubas willfully fail to do so multiple times. What I would really like is to see them bring in a young stud 1RHD than can fill that position for the next six to eight years.

Not some watered down version like Klingberg or Brodie.

 

[darrylsittler27]

A small forward just won the conn smythe

When is the last time a small player win the Leafs a cup? I will wait...

 

[mydnyte]

Put Murray on LTIR and try to sneak Timmins through waivers.

wouldnt work, he'd get claimed by a bunch of teams

 

[Gabriel426]

If I was Brad I’d be living it up on daddy’s money.

Maybe even open a new line call Leafs Pizza

We will see if Ryan Reaves keeps others from going after Matthews and running our goalie. Simmonds didn't seem to help, but then again, maybe Simmonds would've been more effective if he wasn't on such a short leash.

Simmonds was a power forward who can’t play that way anymore while Reaves has always been an enforcer.

 

[Nylanderthal]

When is the last time a small player win the Leafs a cup? I will wait...

Dave Keon is like 5’9” and led the 66-67 team in scoring.

 

[Morbo]

When is the last time a small player win the Leafs a cup? I will wait...

when is the last time a big player won the Leafs a Cup?

 

[Gabriel426]

Dave Keon is like 5’9” and led the 66-67 team in scoring.

But isn't that people were generally shorter in the 60s than now. 5'9 in the 60s is like 6'1 now.

 

[lipstickjunkie]

But isn't that people were generally shorter in the 60s than now. 5'9 in the 60s is like 6'1 now.

I really don't think the average height has gone up four inches since the sixties, lol.

 

[authentic]

I'd dump as many small soft Dubas picks as possible.Horniven dusted, concussion. As we have seen, small soft players like Marner cost too and can't handle the playoffs. They often get injured by bigger players. I'd dump Marner and keep Nylander but I'm not going over 9. The team has no cap to build the team we need to get out of the East.

Lol even 6'3 235 Knies got a concussion in the playoffs

 

[darrylsittler27]

Dave Keon is like 5’9” and led the 66-67 team in scoring.

So 56 years then. Pathetic

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Muzzin on Ltir
Nylander + timmins for Wilson + Lapierre
Murray buy out
Samsonov 3 million x 2 years

Bertuzzi. Matthews. Wilson
Knies. Tavares. Marner
Domi. Kampf. Jarnkrok
Lafferty. Holmberg. Reaves

Reilly. Brodie
McCabe. Klingberg
Gio. Liljegren

Samsonov
Woll

 

[ACC1224]

So 56 years then. Pathetic

Wasn’t that always going to be the answer?