If you had to build a team...
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CharasLazyWrister
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Chara was with the Isles and Sens prior to the Bruins, though.
I very well may be misinterpreting what you mean by “forever Bruins”. Maybe you just mean they have a legacy that will never die.
KrejciMVP
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I voted Chara, but I feel as though I should change it to Bergeron. Great Centers are very hard to find
Fenian24
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Chara is arguably an all time top 20 D, Bergeron is also great but not a top 20 all time center. I love both players but Chara brings a unique skill set.
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To build a team from scratch...I couldn't believe the Bruins would sign Zdeno Chara in 2006. Chara an all star, a hard hitting allround defensemen. In my world the best player imaginable at the time to build a winner around. It was sort of revenge for all the years of seeing star players signing elsewhere. Chara would be my top choice...
BUT, when looking at what Patrice Bergeron has accomplished in his career I would easily make him co captain. Bergy is one of few selects who has won Stanley Cup Championchip (2011), Olympic Gold medal (2010, 2014), World Championchip Gold medal (2004), World Cup of Hockey Gold medal (2016) and World Junior Championchip Gold (2005) medal. That's five out five. Heck, this guy have won everything there is to win in the game of hockey. It's remarkable and what he went through and all...Just saying..
BUT, when looking at what Patrice Bergeron has accomplished in his career I would easily make him co captain. Bergy is one of few selects who has won Stanley Cup Championchip (2011), Olympic Gold medal (2010, 2014), World Championchip Gold medal (2004), World Cup of Hockey Gold medal (2016) and World Junior Championchip Gold (2005) medal. That's five out five. Heck, this guy have won everything there is to win in the game of hockey. It's remarkable and what he went through and all...Just saying..
roflstomper
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Chara. You get a guy like him and your whole organization is instantly transformed. You may get a player of that type once every 25 years.
Blowfish
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Effective the day they each joined the bruins...but get what you're saying.
Lobster57
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uggghhh...fine, i'll settle for Patrice Chara
If they're the first choice i have to make in building my team, i take Chara, all-time great defenseman is the rarest of hockey players. and he gets 8-10 minutes more ice time than Patrice
If i already have a few guys on my team it gets tougher, already have Larry Robinson and Scott Stevens? I'll take PB37 gleefully. Already have Sakic and Federov, come on over Big Z.
Alberta_OReilly_Fan
Bruin fan since 1975
i often have wondered {i might be a freak} but if i could clone one living bruin from the past would i just take the easy way out and go with bobby orr?
i hate to say it... but i think i would choose an army of terry oreillys… probably shows im quite biased and not at all objective.
as for Bergeron/chara... i think a number 1 norris caliber dman has to have more value than a top 10 center. i remember the dennis Savard/chris chelious trade and how one sided it turned out. Brenden shanahan wasnt a center, but when he was traded for chris pronger i lable that as a one sided landslide trade too.
if i was choosing between bobby orr and wayne gretzky i choose orr everytime…
i hate to say it... but i think i would choose an army of terry oreillys… probably shows im quite biased and not at all objective.
as for Bergeron/chara... i think a number 1 norris caliber dman has to have more value than a top 10 center. i remember the dennis Savard/chris chelious trade and how one sided it turned out. Brenden shanahan wasnt a center, but when he was traded for chris pronger i lable that as a one sided landslide trade too.
if i was choosing between bobby orr and wayne gretzky i choose orr everytime…
Lobster57
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Cloning Orr is such an easy choice. Remove him as an option and it gets interesting as f***. Espo, Bourque, Neely, O'Reilly, Park, Bergeron, Oates, Chara, Thomas, Rask, Savy, Marchand, Middleton* are all pretty solid options.
Rational me takes Bourque, not so rational me takes Cam.
we do have access to current medical care right?
edit - forgot Nifty
Mainehockey33
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KnightofBoston
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Bergeron
This team never really became “great” until Bergeron came back into his own. He showed signs of this here and there after injury but started to take hold again against Buffalo in 2010.
Likewise, him being injured in our finals against the blues and hawks were killers
This team never really became “great” until Bergeron came back into his own. He showed signs of this here and there after injury but started to take hold again against Buffalo in 2010.
Likewise, him being injured in our finals against the blues and hawks were killers
ODAAT
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I`m a build from the net out kind of guy but when you have a player who plays almost impeccable forward such as Bergeron does, just can`t take Z first
BAD BOY
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This is a very tough choice for me. But I’ll go with Bergeron. We all know both of these great players strengths. I rather not pick between the two. A piece aimed at my head... P. Bergeron.
Mainehockey33
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Mainehockey33
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I disagree. Up until the second round they were great. If game 7 went differently I think they had a shot at the cup that year. I’d put that team on par with 2011, the big differences are lucky breaks in game 7s.
It didn’t help that Wheeler disappeared in the playoffs and Recchi had kidney stones.
I’m going to give the edge to Bergeron for several reasons.
The first is scoring. Bergeron is a playmaker pure and simple. You can’t teach that, and for some strange reason, the Bruins never seem to have enough of those playmaking forwards. I’m going to argue that in my entire life, the only Bruins center I’ve ever seen better than Bergeron as a playmaker is Adam Oates. And Bergeron never had a Neely on either wing. Not even close. With all due to respect to Brad Marchand and the cast of thousands who joined them on the top line, I think it’s fair to say that Bergeron has done more with less.
Secondly, but closely related to my first point, Bergeron is clutch. Oftentimes he can get you the big goal you need when you need it. This is something else that the Bruins have lacked for the longest time. Bergeron has the huevos to take the shot himself when the chips are down. He won’t look for a pass that isn’t there. Sometimes the Bruins are a little too unselfish, and I think it costs them more than we realize. Maybe because Bergeron sees the ice better than most players. His situational awareness is as good as anyone I’ve ever seen on the Bruins over the years, and I would put only the greatest players ever ahead of Patrice in that regard.
Thirdly, Bergeron has the intangibles. Zdeno Chara works every bit as hard at his game as Bergeron, is every bit as tough as Bergeron, and wants to win as badly as Bergeron. So, there’s no edge to be given there. Where Bergeron separates himself, from what I can tell, is that he will kick a teammate in the ass if he needs it. Chara leads by example, as does Bergeron. Great leaders always do. However, there are occasions where more is needed. I’ve seen Bergeron get in a teammate’s face on the bench and on the ice. It doesn’t happen often, but I’ve seen it. I can’t recall Zdeno Chara ever doing that. That’s just not how he is. Both command and have the respect of the team, but I think Bergeron does more to boost his teammates on an “slow” night than Chara does.
Lastly, this is again related to my first point: Bergeron is a forward. Why does that matter? It matters because the Bruins ALWAYS have at least one superstar defenseman. It is very rare that the Bruins ice a team without a GREAT defenseman. Somehow some way the Bruins always manage to find top-flight blue line talent, and never go very long without it. For some reason, top six forwards seem very hard to come by for the Bruins, and thus a Patrice Bergeron is a rare commodity indeed.
I believe that if a goalie is as important to a hockey team as a quarterback is to a football team, then your number one defenseman would be your left tackle. I liken Patrice Bergeron to a dynamic wide receiver who can do EVERYTHING, like a Troy Brown on the Patriots, who doesn’t seem all that great at first glance, but is absolutely deadly once you get him out there. You NEVER pass up the chance to get a player like that who has ALL the tools.
Ever.
The first is scoring. Bergeron is a playmaker pure and simple. You can’t teach that, and for some strange reason, the Bruins never seem to have enough of those playmaking forwards. I’m going to argue that in my entire life, the only Bruins center I’ve ever seen better than Bergeron as a playmaker is Adam Oates. And Bergeron never had a Neely on either wing. Not even close. With all due to respect to Brad Marchand and the cast of thousands who joined them on the top line, I think it’s fair to say that Bergeron has done more with less.
Secondly, but closely related to my first point, Bergeron is clutch. Oftentimes he can get you the big goal you need when you need it. This is something else that the Bruins have lacked for the longest time. Bergeron has the huevos to take the shot himself when the chips are down. He won’t look for a pass that isn’t there. Sometimes the Bruins are a little too unselfish, and I think it costs them more than we realize. Maybe because Bergeron sees the ice better than most players. His situational awareness is as good as anyone I’ve ever seen on the Bruins over the years, and I would put only the greatest players ever ahead of Patrice in that regard.
Thirdly, Bergeron has the intangibles. Zdeno Chara works every bit as hard at his game as Bergeron, is every bit as tough as Bergeron, and wants to win as badly as Bergeron. So, there’s no edge to be given there. Where Bergeron separates himself, from what I can tell, is that he will kick a teammate in the ass if he needs it. Chara leads by example, as does Bergeron. Great leaders always do. However, there are occasions where more is needed. I’ve seen Bergeron get in a teammate’s face on the bench and on the ice. It doesn’t happen often, but I’ve seen it. I can’t recall Zdeno Chara ever doing that. That’s just not how he is. Both command and have the respect of the team, but I think Bergeron does more to boost his teammates on an “slow” night than Chara does.
Lastly, this is again related to my first point: Bergeron is a forward. Why does that matter? It matters because the Bruins ALWAYS have at least one superstar defenseman. It is very rare that the Bruins ice a team without a GREAT defenseman. Somehow some way the Bruins always manage to find top-flight blue line talent, and never go very long without it. For some reason, top six forwards seem very hard to come by for the Bruins, and thus a Patrice Bergeron is a rare commodity indeed.
I believe that if a goalie is as important to a hockey team as a quarterback is to a football team, then your number one defenseman would be your left tackle. I liken Patrice Bergeron to a dynamic wide receiver who can do EVERYTHING, like a Troy Brown on the Patriots, who doesn’t seem all that great at first glance, but is absolutely deadly once you get him out there. You NEVER pass up the chance to get a player like that who has ALL the tools.
Ever.
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Alberta_OReilly_Fan
Bruin fan since 1975
if im picking an alltime bruin team... each guy in their prime moment... and trying to logically fill each role with the right roleplayer...
i do use marchand/Bergeron/pastrnak as a line... my second line... let them play defense and offense...
my 'offense' line is going to be neely set up by thornton… and lucic doing the grunt work... such a hell of a legion of doom group omg... and one of the all time elite playmakers feeding one of the top 5 goal scorers in history {yes i did say their prime so neely is healthy}
for a shutdown checking line... im going to use oreilly and marcotte as the 2 wingers... never say quit and in an era of 1-on-1 checking, a couple of the best in the business... and speaking of best 1-0n-1 checker of all time we have steve kasper to center
with three lines like this... the fourth line wont see the ice often... i love phil Esposito to upgrade the PP... god he was magic in that slot... rick middleton can play almost any role you want so hes on my team... and for sentimental reasons i will give norman leveille the last spot... always wonder what he could have been.
defense... its almost exclusively left hand shots... but no team in nhl has a better top 4 than orr/bourque/chara/park.... thats the gold standard... i will go with glen Wesley as the 5th guy because he was happy to stay in the shadow and there would be a huge shadow on this team. Wesley was content to be a stay home guy but could move the puck. my 6th guy im going to let Charlie McAvoy be on the team but there probably will be less than 5 mins of icetime left for him
in goal tuuka rask has taken us to 2 finals... his regular season numbers are alltime best... sorry haters but hes our guy
Gerry cheevers was slightly more mentally stable than tim Thomas... both are money goalies... i go with cheevers as my backup though
and this is a 23 man roster from our history no other organization can touch. we have been truely blessed as bruin fans to have some amazing star players come through this city even if we do always get snubbed in the award voting
i do use marchand/Bergeron/pastrnak as a line... my second line... let them play defense and offense...
my 'offense' line is going to be neely set up by thornton… and lucic doing the grunt work... such a hell of a legion of doom group omg... and one of the all time elite playmakers feeding one of the top 5 goal scorers in history {yes i did say their prime so neely is healthy}
for a shutdown checking line... im going to use oreilly and marcotte as the 2 wingers... never say quit and in an era of 1-on-1 checking, a couple of the best in the business... and speaking of best 1-0n-1 checker of all time we have steve kasper to center
with three lines like this... the fourth line wont see the ice often... i love phil Esposito to upgrade the PP... god he was magic in that slot... rick middleton can play almost any role you want so hes on my team... and for sentimental reasons i will give norman leveille the last spot... always wonder what he could have been.
defense... its almost exclusively left hand shots... but no team in nhl has a better top 4 than orr/bourque/chara/park.... thats the gold standard... i will go with glen Wesley as the 5th guy because he was happy to stay in the shadow and there would be a huge shadow on this team. Wesley was content to be a stay home guy but could move the puck. my 6th guy im going to let Charlie McAvoy be on the team but there probably will be less than 5 mins of icetime left for him
in goal tuuka rask has taken us to 2 finals... his regular season numbers are alltime best... sorry haters but hes our guy
Gerry cheevers was slightly more mentally stable than tim Thomas... both are money goalies... i go with cheevers as my backup though
and this is a 23 man roster from our history no other organization can touch. we have been truely blessed as bruin fans to have some amazing star players come through this city even if we do always get snubbed in the award voting
This might be the first time I’ve ever disagreed with you on anything. This is a sad day for me
If you look at the totality of Boston Bruins history, the great defensemen outnumber the great forwards. By a wide margin. If you narrow it to great defenseman versus great centers, the disparity is even more striking.
Give me a play-making center that can score a little bit, and I’ll take my chances in finding a shut-down defenseman afterward.
This might be the first time I’ve ever disagreed with you on anything. This is a sad day for me
If you look at the totality of Boston Bruins history, the great defensemen outnumber the great forwards. By a wide margin. If you narrow it to great defenseman versus great centers, the disparity is even more striking.
Give me a play-making center that can score a little bit, and I’ll take my chances in finding a shut-down defenseman afterward.
I was thinking of league wide, it's true that Boston has had many great defensemen throughout their history
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