If Jamie Benn wins the Stanley Cup this year, would this seal his entry to the HHOF?

[TropicOfNoReturn]

If he captains the Stars to a Cup and reaches 1000 career pts, he will get in. Deservedly so.

 

[Jacob]

If Sundin can make it in with no individual award to speak of surely anything is possible.

Sundin was at least the best player on his team for years and years. Benn has only rarely been the best player on the Stars,

 

[Ignatius]

Hall of very good, with or without a cup

 

[bossram]

If he captains the Stars to a Cup and reaches 1000 career pts, he will get in. Deservedly so.

That's what I said. And I don't like Jamie Benn.

But HHOF entry has some pretty standard checkmarks that if you hit, you get in. Being captain of a Cup winner and 1000 career points pretty much gets you in.

I'm surprised most people don't see this.

 

[tarheelhockey]

That's what I said. And I don't like Jamie Benn.

But HHOF entry has some pretty standard checkmarks that if you hit, you get in. Being captain of a Cup winner and 1000 career points pretty much gets you in.

I'm surprised most people don't see this.

Captain of a Cup winner usually means being one of the best players on the team and having a major role in the Cup.

What we’re talking about here is more like a Lanny McDonald scenario where the player limps to the Cup and 1000 points at the end of an otherwise non-HOF career. It was one thing with McDonald, a beloved player in Toronto and Calgary who had the media push to get him over the line. That seems really unlikely for Benn.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Not a hall of famer.

 

[bossram]

Captain of a Cup winner usually means being one of the best players on the team and having a major role in the Cup.

What we’re talking about here is more like a Lanny McDonald scenario where the player limps to the Cup and 1000 points at the end of an otherwise non-HOF career. It was one thing with McDonald, a beloved player in Toronto and Calgary who had the media push to get him over the line. That seems really unlikely for Benn.

Benn's a Team Canada guy. The OBC will favour him.

Most (not all) guys above the 1000 point line are in the Hall or will surely be there when they are eligible. Most of the exceptions are guys that never won the Cup. *If* he captains a Cup winner, that should be the push to get him over the line. He also has a piece of individual hardware (Art Ross).

I don't think his HHOF case is really any weaker than like Alfie or the Sedins.

And I love the Sedins. And again, I hate Benn. But the case seems straightforward to me.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Benn's a Team Canada guy. The OBC will favour him.

Most (not all) guys above the 1000 point line are in the Hall or will surely be there when they are eligible. Most of the exceptions are guys that never won the Cup. *If* he captains a Cup winner, that should be the push to get him over the line. He also has a piece of individual hardware (Art Ross).

I don't think his HHOF case is really any weaker than like Alfie or the Sedins.

And I love the Sedins. And again, I hate Benn. But the case seems straightforward to me.

I can see it, but I don’t like it.

 

[Mike C]

Right after Brian Bellows.

Alfred Bellows too!

 

[HFpapi]

Benn was a top 5 or 6 player in the league from 2014 to 2016

2014 - He made the 1st NHL team and was top 5 to 7 player in the league (Crosby, Malkin, Getzlaf, Seguin, Giroux)

2015 - Won the ross, made the 2nd NHL team and was 5th to 7 th best in the league (Price, OV, Crosby, Tavares, Kane, Datsyuk)

2016 - Made 1st NHL team and was 3rd or 4th best player in the league being top 3 in hart (Kane, Karlsson, Crosby, Mcdavid, Holtby)

He isn't a hall of famer but he was very good in his 3-year peak, being similar to Panarin or Pastranak or Rantanen level player from 2014-2016

I think it's a fallacy to say argument for 5th or 6th (or even 2nd or 3rd) best season in any given year = 2nd or 3rd or 5th etc best player overall broadly speaking.

Mcdavid had likely the 3rd best season last year but he's not the 3rd best player as a result, he's still consensus #1. Best season ≠ best player.

I don't think in any of those two years he was placing 1st/2nd in league scoring and making post-season all-star teams he was a better player than Crosby, Malkin, Karlsson, Giroux, Getzlaf, Kopitar, Datsyuk, Bergeron, Kane, etc.

I disagree emphatically that anything Benn has ever done (very weak Ross win) was better than Pasta's 61 goals or Panarin 120 points (higher scoring environment or not) but even if it was, that's the difference. Benn has 3 seasons and nothing of note beyond that. Pasta and Panarin and Rantanen have 6/7 HOF worthy seasons and still counting.

 

[hamzarocks]

I think it's a fallacy to say argument for 5th or 6th (or even 2nd or 3rd) best season in any given year = 2nd or 3rd or 5th etc best player overall broadly speaking.

Mcdavid had likely the 3rd best season last year but he's not the 3rd best player as a result, he's still consensus #1. Best season ≠ best player.

I don't think in any of those two years he was placing 1st/2nd in league scoring and making post-season all-star teams he was a better player than Crosby, Malkin, Karlsson, Giroux, Getzlaf, Kopitar, Datsyuk, Bergeron, Kane, etc.

I disagree emphatically that anything Benn has ever done (very weak Ross win) was better than Pasta's 61 goals or Panarin 120 points (higher scoring environment or not) but even if it was, that's the difference. Benn has 3 seasons and nothing of note beyond that. Pasta and Panarin and Rantanen have 6/7 HOF worthy seasons and still counting.

Agree to disagree there

Over 3 seasons

Benn was better than Kopitar, Bergeron, Getzlaf, Datsyuk, Giroux, Karlsson over the 3 year period from 2014-2016.

He was consistent while the others had up and down years, and was a PWFD build and style which was rare and valuable to have.

He was

1) 2nd in POINTS from 2013-2014 to 2016 with 255 pts in 245 games behind Crosby (273 pts in 237)

2) 3rd in goals from 2013-2014 to 2015-2016 with 110 in 245 games behind OV (1st with 154 in 238) and Pavelski (116 in 246)

3) 7th in assist from 2013-2014 to 2015-2016 with 145 assists in 245 games behind Joe Toe (177 in 242), Crosby (173 in 237), Backstrom (171 in 239), Karlsson (165 in 246), Getzlaf (151 in 231) and Giroux (151 in 241)

4) 5th in ppg league wide for that period with 1.04 ppg behind Crosby (1.15), Kane (1.13), Malkin (1.08) and Seguin (1.05). Mcdavid doesnt make the list with only 45 games played in 2016.

He was one of the best PWFDs with physical size and hitting ability and him and Seguin were the two best players on an above average at best Stars team

His 3-year peak is likely higher than Rantanen/Panarin/Pastrank tbh based on above results.

No disagreement that those 3 will be HHOF players due to having 6-7 year elite seasons vs Benn not keeping that level of play for another 2-3 years

 

[GrumpyKoala]

A cup and 1100 pts would do it for me,
can he?

 

[Voight]

Pretty sure he won an Olympic gold in there as well.

Then again, so did Chris Kunitz.

Still though, Benn was good enough at the time to crack that roster.

If he wins a Cup with Dallas - and damn would that ever be sweet - he might still not be a HOF lock but I feel like he'd make it in eventually.

Kunitz only made the team because of his buddy Sid if were being hone st. Road his coattails to three cups and a Gold.

 

[spiny norman]

Lopsided result.