If he retired today, this forward's a HHoFer.

[I am Bettman]

That is how I feel about Mac.

Likewise, though perhaps controversially, Matthews is just not going to get hall of fame without winning a cup and leading his team. Not in my book. Regular season goals isn't enough to push him over the hump in my book.

The same could be said about McDavid... but it's McJesus. He is quite literally the exception to the rule.

I don’t like using cups to measure players because an individual can only contribute so much to a playoff run. I do think that Matthew’s playoff performance individually is good, but not great, which may detract from his hof case. Players like Drai and Mcdavid may not win a cup, but their insane playoff performance is more important imo for their case. Kucherov too, but to a lesser extent.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Matthews? Hall of very good, not rly HoFer.

That's ridiculous.

He's a 3x Rocket Winner a Hart trophy winner, and a Ted Lindsay winner.


He absolutely would be a lock.

 

[DaveG]

the top 4 and Drai

Pasta is the closest to joining that group.

 

[Nucks2001]

That is how I feel about Mac.

Likewise, though perhaps controversially, Matthews is just not going to get hall of fame without winning a cup and leading his team. Not in my book. Regular season goals isn't enough to push him over the hump in my book.

The same could be said about McDavid... but it's McJesus. He is quite literally the exception to the rule.

Lesser players have gotten into the hall than Mac. I get what you mean, but the fact that Mack is universally considered a top 3 player with McDavid in the NHL, i think the voters would recognize that.

That being said, Mac is lacking the hardware. Let’s see if he wins a Hart. Another Cup or Con Smythe might make the case, as well as a Gold Medal at the Olympics.

 

[DropIt]

First three. Thats it

 

[Mr Kot]

Kind of confused by the question. Is it, if they retired today and would be HOF as soon as they did? Then only McDavid would really qualify.

 

[Machinehead]

Today???

Only the first three.

 

[Voodoo Child]

The top 4, and I forgot to vote for Drai who should have been near the top with them.

 

[New Jersey Devils]

MacK, McDavid, Kucherov, and Drai.

 

[Evergreen]

MacKinnon, McDavid, Kucherov, Matthews, Draisaitl. That's it.

 

[pcruz]

McDavid, Mac, Kuch, Draisaitl, Matthews

Draisaitl and Matthews haven't done enough yet to get a plaque.

Not as of today.


I have no doubts all 5 of these will get in, but only 3 have done enough yet.

 

[Crow]

Why is Zach Hyman in this poll?

 

[wetcoast]

McDavid, Mac, Kuch, Draisaitl, Matthews

I also think that Rantanen and Pasta would be too.

The case for Rantanen is his extremely good 7 year prime, and he brings more than just stats and an excellent playoff resume as well (6 straight years above a PPG and 5 of those years double digit games). Even if one doesn't have him in yet he is tracking very well to be included soon.

Pasta's case is an extremely good 8 year prime a 2nd and 4th Hart finish and top goals finishes of 1,2,7 and 10 plus a pretty decent playoff resume.

Bread probably is as well but his playoff resume isn't all that great.

Matthew Tkachuk is trending that way but still needs more IMO.

 

[wetcoast]

I was torn on Matthews. But in the end the lack of games played, and the fact that his play doesn‘t carry over to the playoffs keeps him waiting a bit.

Is there a player from the modern era with less than 700 GP in that isn‘t a goalie or one of the soviets?

Lindros and Bure had to wait, so I think Matthews would too.

The lack of GP is a bit of a faulty logic thing as around 40 of those games were beyond his control.

The case for aM is simply this.

Leads the entire NHL by 40 goals in his first 8 years, has 3 Richard trophies plus finishes of 2nd and 3rd as well.

he has led the league in ESG in 5 of his first 8 seasons and another 5th place finish.

He has Hart finishes of 1,2 and almost certainly another top 5 this year.

He will be a finalist for the selke this year and even if some people think it's not deserved they can't argue that he doesn't bring more to the table than stats like say Kuch or Bread.

That folks simply is a HHOF career already.

 

[wetcoast]

That is how I feel about Mac.

Likewise, though perhaps controversially, Matthews is just not going to get hall of fame without winning a cup and leading his team. Not in my book. Regular season goals isn't enough to push him over the hump in my book.

The same could be said about McDavid... but it's McJesus. He is quite literally the exception to the rule.

I guess using your criteria then the HHOF should probably have around 100-150 less players in it?

Also Mack has a SC and Hart finishes of 2,2,3,5 and 6 and will probably win this year, that's a HHOF lock given his playoff resume.

I'd go back and take a second look.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I added Pasta, Tkachuk and Panarin to the mix along with who everybody gave the majority of the votes to.

 

[Zarpan]

I feel like if mackinnon is a hhof'er so far then pastrnak has got to be too.

Mackinnon's Stanley Cup and 172 more career points makes a difference.

Pastrnak's close, but he'd be helped by 1 or 2 more seasons playing at (or near) his current level.

 

[Steven Toast]

Voted McDavid, Draisaitl, MacKinnon, Kucherov, Matthews, and Pasta.

 

[LokiDog]

We’ve got 5 players with over 100 votes and 13 with 22 or less. Thought provoking poll.

 

[Ben Grimm]

We’ve got 5 players with over 100 votes and 13 with 22 or less. Thought provoking poll.

Thanks! Thanks for your constructive, deep, positive, thought-provoking post!

 

[EXTRAS]

Mackinnon's Stanley Cup and 172 more career points makes a difference.

Pastrnak's close, but he'd be helped by 1 or 2 more seasons playing at (or near) his current level.

I mean, pastrnak has 120 less gp, so the point difference isn't really a big deal. And yes mackinnon has a cup but pastrnak has a rocket.

 

[dirtydanglez]

maybe mcdavid. that's it.

 

[Mrb1p]

First four + Pasta. The rest have no case even if their best case scenario happens.

 

[Rafafouille]

I guess using your criteria then the HHOF should probably have around 100-150 less players in it?

Also Mack has a SC and Hart finishes of 2,2,3,5 and 6 and will probably win this year, that's a HHOF lock given his playoff resume.

I'd go back and take a second look.

Personally agree with him. Only a handful of players should get in per generation. Out of that list, McDavid, Kucherov and Draisaitl. Would include MacKinnon with 3-4 more 100 point seasons. Too much hall of very good instead of Fame.

 

[filinski77]

How the hell are guys like Pastrnak and Rantanen getting votes for this???

If they retired today, neither have even close to enough career points, goals, or top finishes for offensive-forwards (for the compiling side of it), nor do they have a couple big major trophies to make up for the lack of career compiling.

	Pastrnak	Rantanen
Career Goals	348​	262​
Career Points	727​	617​
Top-10 goals finishes	1/2/7/10	3/5
Top-10 points finishes	3/3/5	5/8/8
Hart finishes	2, 4 (+ likely top-5/6 this yr)	6/10 (+ maybe a 9/10th this yr)