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If Bruins Make the Playoffs Does Pastrnak Get Hart Consideration?

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He hasn't been that good and no they don't look like a playoff team.

Also you subtract Mackinnon and the Avs are out of playoff position right now. Same with the Oilers and Draisaitl this year (the real league MVP). The Canucks are a bottom feeder without Quinn Hughes and the Jackets are not in a playoff spot or even close to it without Zach Werenski. So even if you're obsessing over the (mistaken) definition of the Hart Trophy** as purely about team position, it's still not Pastrnak.

Pastrnak is like those guys but not as good. At least this year he's clearly not as good of a player as those guys.

**The most valuable player to his team is the same as the most valuable player period, the team part doesn't change the definition. It's still the same question "who is the best player this year?"**

Score08 said:
Remove drai from the oilers and you still have mcdavid , remove pasta and what do you have? coyle , marchy, geekie? I’ll give you Mack because his team is in the PO, but hard to argue for drai when he could be interchangeable with a guy on his team.
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Not this year. Draisaitl is up while McDavid is having a down year. The Oilers would be dog meat without Draisaitl, absolutely out of it. He's been carrying a line with Podkolzin and some other rotating 20 pt winger all year, and has the best 5v5 stats in the NHL. Most goals by a mile.

Yes he's the best player and also the most valuable to his team and even if we were only allowed to consider players on teams that would be outside of the playoffs without them (an absurdity), Draisaitl still qualifies for that.

Leafs87 said:
This thread is brought up every year pointing to the true definition of the award “most valuable to their team”, but honestly no he likely won’t and shouldn’t as players in the past have fit the description better and were passed up to the three best players in the league with the best player ultimately always winning the Hart, regardless of their impact overall to their team compared to others who arguably had a bigger impact to their team.
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The players with the biggest impact on their team are the best players.
 
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A player should not be considered for the Hart Trophy if their team simply gets a wildcard spot.
There are other teams that are near the top of the league that would not be without having certain players such as the Leafs and Nylander, the Caps and Thompson, the Stars and Oettinger, the Lightening and Hagel or Kucherov.
I believe Hart should go to the best player on the team that finishes at or near the top of the league not a wild card team.
 
So Pasta's stats are better as the team is regressing? But they were surprisingly hot to start the year and he was garbage. Yeah definitely seems like a MVP candidate to me. This argument of "where would they be without him" is weird, because when he was a ghost they were leading their division.
 
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A player should not be considered for the Hart Trophy if their team simply gets a wildcard spot.
There are other teams that are near the top of the league that would not be without having certain players such as the Leafs and Nylander, the Caps and Thompson, the Stars and Oettinger, the Lightening and Hagel or Kucherov.
I believe Hart should go to the best player on the team that finishes at or near the top of the league not a wild card team.
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Kucherov came very close to winning it last year on a wild card team
 
majormajor said:
He hasn't been that good and no they don't look like a playoff team.

Also you subtract Mackinnon and the Avs are out of playoff position right now. Same with the Oilers and Draisaitl this year (the real league MVP). The Canucks are a bottom feeder without Quinn Hughes and the Jackets are not in a playoff spot or even close to it without Zach Werenski. So even if you're obsessing over the (mistaken) definition of the Hart Trophy** as purely about team position, it's still not Pastrnak.

Pastrnak is like those guys but not as good. At least this year he's clearly not as good of a player as those guys.

**The most valuable player to his team is the same as the most valuable player period, the team part doesn't change the definition. It's still the same question "who is the best player this year?"**



Not this year. Draisaitl is up while McDavid is having a down year. The Oilers would be dog meat without Draisaitl, absolutely out of it. He's been carrying a line with Podkolzin and some other rotating 20 pt winger all year, and has the best 5v5 stats in the NHL. Most goals by a mile.

Yes he's the best player and also the most valuable to his team and even if we were only allowed to consider players on teams that would be outside of the playoffs without them (an absurdity), Draisaitl still qualifies for that.



The players with the biggest impact on their team are the best players.
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I’m not arguing that. All I’m saying is that the league or the voting committee mainly made up of reporters have not historically voted this way
 
Leafs87 said:
I’m not arguing that. All I’m saying is that the league or the voting committee mainly made up of reporters have not historically voted this way
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Thankfully, yes.

It just annoys me how much of the MVP discourse gets taken up by irrelevant debates about team quality.
 
Connor McConnor said:
He had a historic season. Not 15 points behind the league leader
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Totally agree....I think Pastrnak should get consideration, but no way should he be ahead of a few other guys. I was simply commenting on the notion that a guy on a wildcard team shouldn't win.
 
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