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He actually changed his mind a few days before saying that they were considering doing that but they realized they shouldn't hinder away from what they've been doing from the past few drafts
Speculation: If at the 2013 draft the BPA was a defenseman how would you feel about drafting him?
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The Winter Soldier
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This one we agree on 100%, I am very high on Monahan too. He would make the perfect Leaf.
BPA always, then deal from a position of strength to acquire assets that are needed more urgently. Imagine if the price for Eberle was a first and Gardiner...without Morgan Rielly and/or Seth Jones in the system, you can't really go there, but if a Schultz-Gardiner reunion made sense for EDM, something along those lines may make sense.
Stephen
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I'd probably look around the league and trade down a spot or two. Also depends on who the defenseman is. When the Islanders traded the Schenn pick to us for a 2nd and a 3rd to move down 2 spots, that was terrific value for them. What they did with the pick is another matter, but I'd look into getting a high second and a depth pick, get the prospect we want positionally (assuming this is a first line center type guy and not a Radek Faksa level prospect) and take another home run swing with a Tatar/Nyquist type skill pick with the second.
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To each his own. Hall is a beast, but I bet Eberle has a longer career. Soooo slick...
http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=648039
showtime8
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I might be one of the few people that think you don't go BPA. (The only way you do that is if its after the 2nd round)
This is how I see the Leafs system breaking down:
Much like the LA Kings, they have gone with 2 very young offensive minded dmen in Doughty and Voynov. They both skate very well and look to jump into the rush whenever there is a chance. Then, they have paired them with 2 veteran defensively responsible dmen in Willie Mitchell and Rob Scuderi. The way that they were so successful, outside of their amazing goaltending, is that they were matched up so well.
So where does this leave the Leafs? Well, they already have good young Jake Gardiner that has amazing wheels and can provide offence. Then they draft high end potential Morgan Rielly to do the exact same thing on another pairing. And by the time that they are both really coming into their potential, Phaneuf is a UFA. Just the way I see it happening in a couple years. Not saying that they won't retain him, just facts.
So where does this leave the Leafs in this draft?? Well, they already have their 2 defensive studs for the future. The only thing that they are missing is a forward with a high ceiling. Are they going to keep hanging their hats on Kadri being that guy? Nope, that ship has sailed. What about 1st round pick Biggs? Nope, not the type of player that they are looking for that will score 30 in a year. In my mind, I think that leaves you with one option.
Shinkaruk, Monahan, Barkov, Mackinnon. That's who you are looking for.
This is how I see the Leafs system breaking down:
Much like the LA Kings, they have gone with 2 very young offensive minded dmen in Doughty and Voynov. They both skate very well and look to jump into the rush whenever there is a chance. Then, they have paired them with 2 veteran defensively responsible dmen in Willie Mitchell and Rob Scuderi. The way that they were so successful, outside of their amazing goaltending, is that they were matched up so well.
So where does this leave the Leafs? Well, they already have good young Jake Gardiner that has amazing wheels and can provide offence. Then they draft high end potential Morgan Rielly to do the exact same thing on another pairing. And by the time that they are both really coming into their potential, Phaneuf is a UFA. Just the way I see it happening in a couple years. Not saying that they won't retain him, just facts.
So where does this leave the Leafs in this draft?? Well, they already have their 2 defensive studs for the future. The only thing that they are missing is a forward with a high ceiling. Are they going to keep hanging their hats on Kadri being that guy? Nope, that ship has sailed. What about 1st round pick Biggs? Nope, not the type of player that they are looking for that will score 30 in a year. In my mind, I think that leaves you with one option.
Shinkaruk, Monahan, Barkov, Mackinnon. That's who you are looking for.
showtime8
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Hall needs to figure out which way to position his head when he's skating.
He's going to be an Eric Lindros if he doesn't smarten up.
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Pyrophorus
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...or if we play into it *duh, duh, duuuuhhhh*
I wonder how mad people would be.
Pyrophorus
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If we get #2, and only MacKinnon is off the board, I would say that
we would skip Jones.
With all do respect in my response since this was an actually good post and a worthwhile consideration, it comes down to the fact that no general manager would actually be stupid enough to make a trade like that (Cliff Fletcher aside, who happened to be the Leafs GM). I realize that I making a bold assertion by saying "no general manager would actually be stupid enough to..."
A 2nd and 3rd round pick for 2 spots is terrible asset management and questionable direction for a franchise.
The way I see it is:
Mackinnon, Jones
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Barkov
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All those other centers.
Any team that would trade from #7 to #5 to take a center in that position is not making a smart move, since all those centers are roughly equal. Fletcher, or hopefully another team, would be making the same mistake.
A trade to perhaps get up in the top 3, however, makes more sense.
Why do we skip Jones? Is it because the Leafs need a center and Jones is not a center?
This would be the most logical move as well as what is the best interest of the Leafs.
I have to agree; some of these posts are true comedy.
So if the Leafs have the #1 overall pick and they select a player like Drouin instead of Mackinnon and Jones, and Burke claims this is the "BPA", is he correct in that assertion?
It seems that this example follows from your definition of BPA.
My point is that there is a universal consideration outside of personal subjectivity [in these matters].
Then that is not BPA. That is instead, what Burke thinks is the BPA. The BPA takes everything into consideration, not what Burke wants (i.e., a center to fill an apparent center void, who can then be classified as "BPA" when he is really not).
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The Winter Soldier
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Does anyone else here think like me, if Leafs win the lottery, that would be a first we get lucky for a change. Burke is going to pass on a US born, WHL produced, high character, leadership type big franchise defenceman in Seth Jones. I don't see it.
Riellyfan04
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The best part is how epictetus had absolutely no idea that he defined "subjective" inhis first sentence, the. Failed to make sense in responding. BPA is who OUR ORGANIZATION believes is BPA. It is a subjective judgement, and is different across the board.
People who honestly believe that need and fit aren't discussed when deciding on BPA and evaluating, haven't been closer to a hockey club than franchise mode.
People who honestly believe that need and fit aren't discussed when deciding on BPA and evaluating, haven't been closer to a hockey club than franchise mode.
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showtime8
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Yes. Hall's concussions have been his fault.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wttzK-Q_Frk
Instance 1:
Head down along the boards. Even if he doesn't lose his footing, there's a great chance that he gets leveled because his head is down.
Instance 2:
Not his fault at all. Does take a bad angle at it, but nothing he could do because he catches an edge.
Other clips of him withi his head down getting levelled...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70xInr4WoQo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T786xEHJcQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxZr5-DxBss
I could go on, but these are all just examples of him not being prepared to take the hit or one of his dmen giving him a suicide pass.
Unless all of the top centers are off the board, it should be BCA this year.
MacK > Jones
Barkov ceiling and Jones ceiling are sky high
and after those 3, you have Lindholm/Monahan/Drouin. Personally, I would rather take Lindholm or Drouin than Monahan, but that's just me. I wouldn't be upset with Monahan, I just think Lindholm is a little above him talent-wise.
MacK > Jones
Barkov ceiling and Jones ceiling are sky high
and after those 3, you have Lindholm/Monahan/Drouin. Personally, I would rather take Lindholm or Drouin than Monahan, but that's just me. I wouldn't be upset with Monahan, I just think Lindholm is a little above him talent-wise.
Rather than state the obvious that you should draft BPA, maybe consider the option of trading down.
I'm not a scout and haven't seen a lot of these guys play. Hope to see what some of you may trade to go down and get a different prospect.
I'm not a scout and haven't seen a lot of these guys play. Hope to see what some of you may trade to go down and get a different prospect.
If we have #2, You can't argue the sky-high ceilings of Jones or Barkov, and cannot discount that one has put up unprecidented production, and plays in a men's league, as well as plays the position we have the biggest, most glaring hole at.
Barkov makes the most sense.
If we have #3, and MacK and Jones are off the board, Barkov is the easy pick.
If we have #3 and MacK and Barkov are off the board, I would personally trade down a spot or two, add another 2nd (to be packaged to move back into the 1st), and take Lindholm
If we pick at #4, and and MacK/Barkov/Jones are off the board, you go with Lindholm/Monahan.
Barkov makes the most sense.
If we have #3, and MacK and Jones are off the board, Barkov is the easy pick.
If we have #3 and MacK and Barkov are off the board, I would personally trade down a spot or two, add another 2nd (to be packaged to move back into the 1st), and take Lindholm
If we pick at #4, and and MacK/Barkov/Jones are off the board, you go with Lindholm/Monahan.
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I also have to agree with this. The notion of BPA is extremely vague, and when you're in the fog of war of the draft table, it's not exactly like you're playing a video game with player attributes to look at.
What is a BPA? The guy who is currently the best junior player at the moment, or the guy with the best overall upside, or some combination of both? Or is the BPA the guy most likely to reach that upside? These answers aren't really that obvious.
Even if we use the most recent draft as an example, who is the BPA between Rielly and Galchenyuk? Taking out all variables of failure and assuming Rielly tops out as an 55-60 point franchise defenseman and Galchenyuk emerges as a 85 point franchise centerman, probably the best case scenario for both, who does Montreal take?
