Post-Game Talk: If a game is played and it’s a shitshow, does it count?

[Drivesaitl]

1 goal in the last 10 periods against the Kings.

WE have a bunch of ponys in the lineup that draw up lame whenever McD and Drai are out of lineup. Guys only do anything getting constant feed.

A bunch of these games have signified how little support help we have down the lineup when we're playing clubs even putting forth an effort.

 

[bellagiobob]

Do the Oilers plan to fly back to Edmonton after the SJ game or stay and prepare in California?

I would assume they are staying in Cali, wouldn’t make much sense to fly home, only to leave again on Friday for a game on Sunday.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Would be typical if Nurse got suspended for a playoff game. It wasn't too long ago when he threw the Vegas series by taking that stupid misconduct in the dying minutes (which led to an automatic sussy) after pietrangelo was already en route to his own suspension

You mean the automatic suspension that’s been rescinded any time another player did that?

 

[94 Oil Drops]

This is the best angle of the incident. It was worthy of a five and a game. But based on similar or worse incidents around the league, it is not suspension worthy. But as soon as it happened I knew we were screwed. Just the way it is with the league and us, whether it’s power plays, draft picks, suspensions, etc, they have an agenda against us, and it’s not even a hidden one.

This is my first time seeing the play. That to me is at most a 1 game suspension. Knowing the NHL he'll be forced to sit for 3 though.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

NHL scheduling is garbago. They should eliminate the travel back-to-back games league wide as a clear erosion of their lack of concern to ice quality game experiences.

The Condors played a solid game against a travel back-to-back Jets team and then fly home for a next night dismemberment by the Kings. Credit to Tier 1 fans who pay big money for this slop.

Zero takeaway from this Condors game. Other than a sucky, whiny sound bite from Danault.

 

[bone]

NHL scheduling is garbago. They should eliminate the travel back-to-back games league wide as a clear erosion of their lack of concern to ice quality game experiences.

The Condors played a solid game against a travel back-to-back Jets team and then fly home for a next night dismemberment by the Kings. Credit to Tier 1 fans who pay big money for this slop.

Zero takeaway from this Condors game. Other than a sucky, whiny sound bite from Danault.

Technically all back to backs would have to have some kind of travel for at least one team However, I agree the league should work to minimize or eliminate situations where the road team is in the city prior to the home team unless of course it's in cities like LA or New York where one hotel can give you reasonably quick access to 2-3 rinks.

 

[Da McBomb]

Do the Oilers plan to fly back to Edmonton after the SJ game or stay and prepare in California?

Spector was saying on the radio this morning that the plan is for the Oilers to stay in California... but to stay in San Jose a couple of days to practice and not go to LA.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Technically all back to backs would have to have some kind of travel for at least one team However, I agree the league should work to minimize or eliminate situations where the road team is in the city prior to the home team unless of course it's in cities like LA or New York where one hotel can give you reasonably quick access to 2-3 rinks.

Thanks, I wasn't clear. I mean specifically a team travelling for a road game having to fly home for a next day game. BTB on a regular road trip is acceptable.

 

[KlefDown]

considering they are having the hearing not during business hours (which is unusual), it kind of hints it'll be one game at best or one regular season + one playoff game as worst? (which would equate to 3 regular season games?)

 

[K1984]

Still pisses me off that Nurse got suspended for the same number of games as Pietrangelo for fighting a guy who immediately threw his gloves off and started throwing as Nurse glided towards him, and who according to Nurse asked him to fight numerous times throughout the game. Meanwhile Pietrangelo legit tried to break Draisaitl's wrist 2 seconds after he scored an empty netter.

League is a joke at this point if Nurse gets anything beyond 1 game.

Which was also on the heels of the NHL reversing the last several (I think it was 4) incidents of automatic suspensions on last 5 minute instigators. It was more of an automatic to reverse rather than uphold the suspension until.........an Oiler did it. Then it's different.

 

[K1984]

On the heels of the pretty obvious decision the league made to uphold the Nurse suspension so it could match Pietrangelos' in the name of "fairness," wonder if the league will find a key King D man to suspend for Game 1 too? Isn't that how this works?

 

[CrazyJoeDavola]

You mean the automatic suspension that’s been rescinded any time another player did that?

Yup but he still put himself in the position for it to not be. You knew the league would sabotage us, and Nurse gave them the perfect opportunity

 

[nexttothemoon]

You know the NHL is looking for any excuse to give as much advantage as possible to the Sunbelt American teams... and I'll be shocked if he doesn't get 2 games so LA gets an extra advantage to start the series.

Expect the worst and be pleasantly surprised if the end result isn't as bad as possible is the "strategy" when looking at how Oilers are treated by NHL brass.

 

[rboomercat90]

This is the best angle of the incident. It was worthy of a five and a game. But based on similar or worse incidents around the league, it is not suspension worthy. But as soon as it happened I knew we were screwed. Just the way it is with the league and us, whether it’s power plays, draft picks, suspensions, etc, they have an agenda against us, and it’s not even a hidden one.

This is the first time I’m seeing what happened as I wasn’t able to watch the Prime broadcast. Good grief. This is much ado about nothing.

 

[bone]

This is the first time I’m seeing what happened as I wasn’t able to watch the Prime broadcast. Good grief. This is much ado about nothing.

I can't believe there's some out there thinking it should be 5+ games. If that became the standard, there wouldn't be any defensemen that didn't face supplemental discipline at some point during playoffs.

I can accept a game maybe even a 2nd game since tomorrow's game is about the same punishment as being suspended for a pre-season game, but more than that, they are resetting a the bar for playoff suspensions.

 

[K1984]

I can't believe there's some out there thinking it should be 5+ games. If that became the standard, there wouldn't be any defensemen that didn't face supplemental discipline at some point during playoffs.

I can accept a game maybe even a 2nd game since tomorrow's game is about the same punishment as being suspended for a pre-season game, but more than that, they are resetting a the bar for playoff suspensions.

Except in rare cases, I don't think anyone actually believes this.

It's just folks with the maturity of about an 8 year old that alter their suspension opinions based on which team the culprit is on, or are just dumb and think that players should have the book thrown at them for any indiscretion because they don't know what they're watching.

Photoshop those players into generic white jerseys, fog out their faces, and show that exact clip to 100 people and I don't know if you would have any more than a small handful that truly believe that should be a 5 game suspension. I don't think that play should be a suspension or even a fine at all, even if the roles were reversed.

 

[Seth92]

WE have a bunch of ponys in the lineup that draw up lame whenever McD and Drai are out of lineup. Guys only do anything getting constant feed.

A bunch of these games have signified how little support help we have down the lineup when we're playing clubs even putting forth an effort.

Agreed!
Plus we ran a bunch of goons and some other guys who made not much of an impact like you said.

Kings certainly are treating it like they already won the series but they should do something about our 9 million dollar man and that should be interesting... depends on the refs that night though.... should be fun and ugly!

 

[Kepler 186f]

That was in the midst of a fight and happened in a split second. Punches after a player is down during a fight happen all the time.

Cross checks to the head of a guy who is prone on the ice do not happen all the time.

Anyone defending this move by Nurse is just being a homer imo. It was a stupid, dangerous play that deserves a suspension. Incredibly selfish and if he misses any playoff games they’re essentially conceded with Ekholm also out.

Me having a different opinion means I have a different opinion.

Also let's note that Byfield poked at Picard after he had covered the puck in a nothing game, that the Kings were leading by 4 on a 5 on 3 power play.

 

[94 Oil Drops]

Zero takeaway from this Condors game. Other than a sucky, whiny sound bite from Danault.

His bum is still sore from losing 3 straight years to the Oilers in the playoffs. Can't say I'm surprised to hear him whine.

 

[bellagiobob]

 

[Drivesaitl]

I can't believe there's some out there thinking it should be 5+ games. If that became the standard, there wouldn't be any defensemen that didn't face supplemental discipline at some point during playoffs.

I can accept a game maybe even a 2nd game since tomorrow's game is about the same punishment as being suspended for a pre-season game, but more than that, they are resetting a the bar for playoff suspensions.

Who said +5 games other than OOT posters?

My take from word go is its gonna be a suspension. Minimum 1 game but possibly 2 or 3.

 

[bone]

Who said +5 games other than OOT posters?

My take from word go is its gonna be a suspension. Minimum 1 game but possibly 2 or 3.

Mostly in other social media, which to be fair includes a shit ton of dumbasses with either agendas against Edmonton or LA fans, but there are some in general that think everything should be a suspension.

One somewhat neutral person made a case that it should be 7 and the reason being that they rank suspension as they do based on how avoidable they are and how necessary the play is for hockey player to do their job.

It was an absurd view as really all suspensions happen on plays where the result could have been avoided and isn't necessary. Danger should be the determining factor once those other factors are established, and while Nurse's play is dangerous, I don't see it as dangerous as plays that typically yield multiple games.

Frankly I doubt Byfield is even injured but at that point LA is officially at a point where they literally could no longer change their position standings-wise whatsoever beyond possibly gaining home ice in an eventual Dallas or Toronto series which is such a distant thought right now, that may as well take him out for precautionary reasons and possibly sit him for a few games hoping to influence the suspension.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Mostly in other social media, which to be fair includes a shit ton of dumbasses with either agendas against Edmonton or LA fans, but there are some in general that think everything should be a suspension.

One somewhat neutral person made a case that it should be 7 and the reason being that they rank suspension as they do based on how avoidable they are and necessary the play is for hockey player to do their job.

It was an absurd view as really all suspensions happen on plays where the result could have been avoided and isn't necessary. Danger should be the determining factor once those other factors are established, and while Nurse's play is dangerous, I don't see it as dangerous as plays that typically yield multiple games.

Frankly I doubt Byfield is even injured but at that point LA is officially at a point where they literally could no longer change their position standings-wise whatsoever beyond possibly gaining home ice in an eventual Dallas or Toronto series which is such a distant thought right now, that may as well take him out for precautionary reasons and possibly sit him for a few games hoping to influence the suspension.

Not sure if you saw every view of the play. Also to note the one showed in this thread is a slo mo of the incident. Anytime a play is slo mo like that it makes it seem less egregious and as if theres less impact. Bob posted a replay above, which is slo motion. The actual play looked different than that in realtime.

Of note as well Nurse grabs byfield head on course of going down first time and in my view (doesn't make it correct) he was trying to headslam Byfield the first time going down even throwing his weight down on him. Seemed like he was trying to guide his head to hit ice. (Conjecture, possibly, but from looking at every angle and seeing the sequence in real time) Nurse then having not succeeded appears to headshot Byfield to put his head into the ice, and in my view due to not succeeding first time.

Next of course this is not even resembling a hockey play. DOPS views that kind of thing commonly enough in rulings (but not consistently)

Nurse is far from first offender, that impacts too. He's had egregious plays before and even been suspended in playoffs before. If I'm guessing its two games making it one Regular Season and one Playoff game.

 

[brentashton]

Mostly in other social media, which to be fair includes a shit ton of dumbasses with either agendas against Edmonton or LA fans, but there are some in general that think everything should be a suspension.

One somewhat neutral person made a case that it should be 7 and the reason being that they rank suspension as they do based on how avoidable they are and how necessary the play is for hockey player to do their job.

It was an absurd view as really all suspensions happen on plays where the result could have been avoided and isn't necessary. Danger should be the determining factor once those other factors are established, and while Nurse's play is dangerous, I don't see it as dangerous as plays that typically yield multiple games.

Frankly I doubt Byfield is even injured but at that point LA is officially at a point where they literally could no longer change their position standings-wise whatsoever beyond possibly gaining home ice in an eventual Dallas or Toronto series which is such a distant thought right now, that may as well take him out for precautionary reasons and possibly sit him for a few games hoping to influence the suspension.

History has been that, seldom do suspensions progress from regular season to post season but of late it seems like there is no “normal” in the NHL anymore.

Nurse as a repeat offender is what I think makes this more than a normal suspension. I also think the situation that the player was prone, defenceless and then was subjected to a cross check from a weapon will factor in, different from the event on Sunday when Trenin punched a defenceless player. The optics are worse.

Player Safety will want to arrive a place that Gary won't have space to rescind a decision and further embarrass them.

The longer it takes to hear a verdict, make me think that the decision makers are involved in a deeper deliberation, less simple/short term outcome.

I wager a 2 game suspension.

 

[MessierThanThou]

History has been that, seldom do suspensions progress from regular season to post season but of late it seems like there is no “normal” in the NHL anymore.

Nurse as a repeat offender is what I think makes this more than a normal suspension. I also think the situation that the player was prone, defenceless and then was subjected to a cross check from a weapon will factor in, different from the event on Sunday when Trenin punched a defenceless player. The optics are worse.

Player Safety will want to arrive a place that Gary won't have space to rescind a decision and further embarrass them.

The longer it takes to hear a verdict, make me think that the decision makers are involved in a deeper deliberation, less simple/short term outcome.

I wager a 2 game suspension.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised by three or four, because the league really does have it out for us. Hope it's 1 or less, 2 seems probable, but more wouldn't surprise me.

And this is why I think that:

Which was also on the heels of the NHL reversing the last several (I think it was 4) incidents of automatic suspensions on last 5 minute instigators. It was more of an automatic to reverse rather than uphold the suspension until.........an Oiler did it. Then it's different.