OT: I wish some leaf players would act like this (Steve Simmons)

Wafflewhipper

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Simmons strikes me as someone reporting on celebrities on entertainment tonight. You know what I'm saying!
 

hockeyfanz*

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Pretty sure he was being sarcastic and mocking the MLB's playoff system with 2 wild cards playing a 1 game playoff.

Okay if thats how you read it....and also I am in agreement. 162 games to have it come down to a 1 game playoff. HUH?

At least they could have gone best 2 out of 3.
 

Stephen

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Seems problematic to me that one of the most prominent Jays criticizes management and acts like an internet tough guy.
 

ldnk

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Seems problematic to me that one of the most prominent Jays criticizes management and acts like an internet tough guy.

Today I learned that responding with disdain to a troll makes you an internet tough guy. Thanks for that lesson.

Simmons is the guy who has a problem. He makes a provoking statement than runs and whines on the air about it after he gets a response he doesn't like...twice.
 

hockeyfanz*

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Today I learned that responding with disdain to a troll makes you an internet tough guy. Thanks for that lesson.

Simmons is the guy who has a problem. He makes a provoking statement than runs and whines on the air about it after he gets a response he doesn't like...twice.

Again...why are you people so so so wrapped up in what Steve Simmons has to say...Truth be known..he was right in calling out Bautista. Stephen is right. Players who try and throw their GM under the bus in a public forum is problematic. Especially when its your perceived leader.

You keep your family dirty laundry inside your house. Bautista could have been professional and asked to speak with AA in private to discuss his displeasure.

Simmons was pointing out that trading your future at the deadline doesn't always work out for the best (see the Oakland A's)....exactly what Bautista was mouthing off at the deadline about. He needs to shut up and concentrate on his job. Simmons may be a troll...but doesn't make him any less right.
 

ACC1224

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Today I learned that responding with disdain to a troll makes you an internet tough guy. Thanks for that lesson.

Simmons is the guy who has a problem. He makes a provoking statement than runs and whines on the air about it after he gets a response he doesn't like...twice.

Simmons knew exactly what he was doing and got the reaction he expected. He needs to find new ways to be relevent.
 

ldnk

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Again...why are you people so so so wrapped up in what Steve Simmons has to say...Truth be known..he was right in calling out Bautista. Stephen is right. Players who try and throw their GM under the bus in a public forum is problematic. Especially when its your perceived leader.

You keep your family dirty laundry inside your house. Bautista could have been professional and asked to speak with AA in private to discuss his displeasure.

Simmons was pointing out that trading your future at the deadline doesn't always work out for the best (see the Oakland A's)....exactly what Bautista was mouthing off at the deadline about. He needs to shut up and concentrate on his job. Simmons may be a troll...but doesn't make him any less right.

No, Simmons was trying to provoke a response. There is a difference between making a statement about a situation and directing it at a person. Also, Simmons wasn't proving anything. I could just as easily point out that the Tigers won the division ahead of the Royals by acquiring David Price.

Or that St. Louis helped themselves to the division by acquiring John Lackey. Or that the Nationals helped themselves to a division win by bringing in a competent 2nd baseman.

Simmons made a valid statement in that the A's plan backfired (although you could also argue that they might have missed the playoffs entirely if they didn't make those moves too).
 

hockeyfanz*

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No, Simmons was trying to provoke a response. There is a difference between making a statement about a situation and directing it at a person. Also, Simmons wasn't proving anything. I could just as easily point out that the Tigers won the division ahead of the Royals by acquiring David Price.

Or that St. Louis helped themselves to the division by acquiring John Lackey. Or that the Nationals helped themselves to a division win by bringing in a competent 2nd baseman.

Simmons made a valid statement in that the A's plan backfired (although you could also argue that they might have missed the playoffs entirely if they didn't make those moves too).

whatever...doesn't mean he wasn't right about the Athletics. They traded some youth to get some elite pitching to put them over the top. After their trades they played at a .430 clip or something. Horrible.

Proof that making those bold moves doesn't always work. Nothing in your post about the perceived leader badmouthing the GM eh?

Figures.
 

Ricky Bobby

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Again...why are you people so so so wrapped up in what Steve Simmons has to say...Truth be known..he was right in calling out Bautista. Stephen is right. Players who try and throw their GM under the bus in a public forum is problematic. Especially when its your perceived leader.

You keep your family dirty laundry inside your house. Bautista could have been professional and asked to speak with AA in private to discuss his displeasure.

Simmons was pointing out that trading your future at the deadline doesn't always work out for the best (see the Oakland A's)....exactly what Bautista was mouthing off at the deadline about. He needs to shut up and concentrate on his job. Simmons may be a troll...but doesn't make him any less right.

Simmons has a long history of being no better then any internet troll.

Burke and Dana White have called him out before for being a complete ****** who can't even get his facts straight.

TSN cheapens their product by having him. I refuse to listen to any podcasts that have him on it and PVR through segments on the tv with him.
 

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What kind of writer does this kind of thing? Oh, that's right, a hack. Steve doesn't like having to defend himself. He's deleted a few of my tweets where I corrected him. The worst part is, it took my 30 seconds of research to find this info. A team makes a deadline deal and fails? Well, that never happens does it? Going and tweeting Bautista is a cry for attention and then saying it wasn't Jose tweeting back was amazing. I guess he got what he wanted though, got to play the victim on 1050
 

ldnk

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whatever...doesn't mean he wasn't right about the Athletics. They traded some youth to get some elite pitching to put them over the top. After their trades they played at a .430 clip or something. Horrible.

Proof that making those bold moves doesn't always work. Nothing in your post about the perceived leader badmouthing the GM eh?

Figures.


No you are right, it isn't in great taste to do it. Mind you, I am of the opinion that AA isn't actually a very good GM. And trades don't automatically have to be about acquiring front line players. Sometimes giving a very shallow team a little more depth can also be an addition. The fact that AA took the same roster from last year and added Navarro as the solution and did little else all year speaks volumes of his ability to work on the fly.
 

Rants Mulliniks

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What kind of writer does this kind of thing? Oh, that's right, a hack. Steve doesn't like having to defend himself. He's deleted a few of my tweets where I corrected him. The worst part is, it took my 30 seconds of research to find this info. A team makes a deadline deal and fails? Well, that never happens does it? Going and tweeting Bautista is a cry for attention and then saying it wasn't Jose tweeting back was amazing. I guess he got what he wanted though, got to play the victim on 1050

That's probably what irks me most about many of these writers. They frequently make factual errors that your average fan doesn't even have to research to know it is wrong (and research reveals it is). It saddens me that such incompetence is rewarded.
 
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I have to say (and I chuckled) - Simmons has a point.

Bautisa, Janssen and others publicly went out and complained how they were disappointed that AA did no trades or anything to help their team - regardless of the fact the blue jays refuse to play small ball, or anything like that even taking into account that yes, the Jays Depth sucked.

it doesn't change the fact that Oakland kind of crashed and burned their way (after leading the division for a while), and blew a 4 run lead, + made a huge trade, and Kansas City didn't. good on Simmons for pointing it out.

I'm not so sure that what happened to the A's proves or doesn't prove anything as it pertains to the Jays. The Jays didn't have the prospect depth to make a big move at the deadline without giving up their major pieces.

Simmons does this a lot - he takes the results from one event and reaches his conclusion while completely ignoring the process. Let's say that the Royals don't tie the game in the 9th or 12th; Simmons doesn't post that tweet. So basically his whole opinion on the moves that the A's, Jays and Royals made is based on a stolen base and a sac fly? Ridiculous.
 
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Simmons was pointing out that trading your future at the deadline doesn't always work out for the best (see the Oakland A's)....exactly what Bautista was mouthing off at the deadline about. He needs to shut up and concentrate on his job. Simmons may be a troll...but doesn't make him any less right.

Ah yes....something that doesn't work 100% of the time shouldn't be tried. Seems similar to Simmons' opinion on hockey analytics.
 

Mystifo

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Kadri kind of did when he called out McKenzie about his contract talks and called him "bobo"

Yeah but the Kadri one I think played out differently in peoples eyes it looked more playful.



This one kind of turned into a battle of words.
 

achtungbaby

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No, Simmons was trying to provoke a response. There is a difference between making a statement about a situation and directing it at a person. Also, Simmons wasn't proving anything. I could just as easily point out that the Tigers won the division ahead of the Royals by acquiring David Price.

Or that St. Louis helped themselves to the division by acquiring John Lackey. Or that the Nationals helped themselves to a division win by bringing in a competent 2nd baseman.

Simmons made a valid statement in that the A's plan backfired (although you could also argue that they might have missed the playoffs entirely if they didn't make those moves too).

I don't think much of Simmons either but would you rather he spoke behind Batista's back and didn't have the nerve to confront him at all? I don't think he can win with most folks no matter what he does. He did have a fair point about the public belly aching.
 

achtungbaby

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Kadri kind of did when he called out McKenzie about his contract talks and called him "bobo"

I wasn't a fan of that either. McKenzie is probably the most respected name in hockey journalism, Kadri was a young player in a contract dispute. Nothing good was gained by going public that. He should have kept quiet and let his agent handle the media.
 
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I don't think much of Simmons either but would you rather he spoke behind Batista's back and didn't have the nerve to confront him at all? I don't think he can win with most folks no matter what he does. He did have a fair point about the public belly aching.

Simmons point wasn't about the public belly aching. It was about the opinion that a deadline move was necessary.
 

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