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I Warned You About Marner

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Marner was great. Yeah he had a few bad plays but so did everyone if you hold a microscope to them this tournament. MacKinnon and Mcdavid had an embarrassing PP tonight if we’re gonna microscope every player.
 
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Oiler fan here but Marner was Canada's best player all night & should have been named player of the game over McJesus although I totally get why.
Even before his 2 assists I was very impressed with the very smart plays he was making every shift & was not surprised he was reunited with McDavid for the last period & overtime. He was a beast all night.
 
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As a Sens fan I may need a shower after saying this, but The Bitch Mitch Marner was very good for Team Canada. I expect him to be a mainstay for the Olympics in Italy.
 
ORRFForever said:
(* I am sure I will get a TON of backlash over this thread but... *)

I got so much grief over Marner. For years I said Marner should NOT be on Team Canada. For YEARS I was ridiculed.

I heard how good he is. How you cannot leave those points at home. How LOTS of players bleep the bed in the playoffs but do wonderfully when playing for Canada.

Marner's NO LOOK pass 6 on 5... WOW!

We lost possession and the next thing you know, it was 3-1. What was Marner thinking? Oh yeah, as usual, he wasn't thinking.

**

I hope we get a 2nd shot at the U.S. Pick up some momentum against Finland and win the GMG.
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I'm an American and fan of a western conference team. So I don't get to see Mitch play as much as many here.... But I got a good look at him vs team USA and I think you're nuts. I think Marner is Canada's 3rd best forward behind MacKinnon and McDavid (those two are far above the rest of the roster the way Makar is hands down better than any other defender on Canada).

But in that next tier of forwards, Marner is #1 on that Canadian roster for me.

The way Mitch found and took space to create the negative space for Bennett to fill on the game tying goal is hockey IQ at it's highest form. When they say a guy has eyes in the back of his head.. that play is exactly what they are talking about. Every man or woman that ever coached hockey loved that game tying goal as well as his game winning play on the pass to McDavid with where/how he positioned himself along the boards. How he received that wrap around the boards pass. Such a freaking smart player.

Watching him play over those two games vs USA was illuminating as to why he gets paid what he's paid. His sense of the game, skating ability, edge work and hands are each and all screamingly elite.

And if Toronto doesn't pay this guy... he's going to have several NHL teams offering him $13MM per year to relocate. He'd be the best player on several NHL teams. Imagine him with Bedard. Or on the young Ducks team. Or with San Jose and Celebrini.
 
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You can only judge a player by what he's done. The best predictor of future success is past performance.

Marner's talent has never been in question. His lack of effort/guts has. And for good reason. He doesn't go to the dirty areas and isn't willing to pay the price to make a play. We've seen that over and over. However, when there's a little more space, then he can be an effective weapon.

Last night the US gave Canada a little more space. Getting the lead was crucial and the Americans weren't able to play trap hockey the whole night. In that situation Marner is less than useless and I think most people were thinking it was going to be a tighter game than it was.

Moreover, Marner has frequently made braindead plays at crucial moments. Puck over the glass is the most infamous but there have been plenty of others. Not a guy you want to rely on in key moments. At least that was his history coming in.

But there's no taking back what he did in this tournament. He won game one with his goal and played pretty well last night with two brilliant passes (and made a couple of others.) Finally, on the biggest stage - he delivered. Full marks. I wouldn't have predicted it. He'd be the last guy I'd expect to show up. But he did.

Now, can that translate to the playoffs? Maybe. At least now you can point to this and say that he can do it in the biggest moments. That was never the case before but now he can. So kudos to him for that. Mad respect for what he did, especially last night.
 
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McJedi said:
I'm an American and fan of a western conference team. So I don't get to see Mitch play as much as many here.... But I got a good look at him vs team USA and I think you're nuts. I think Marner is Canada's 3rd best forward behind MacKinnon and McDavid (those two are far above the rest of the roster the way Makar is hands down better than any other defender on Canada).

But in that next tier of forwards, Marner is #1 on that Canadian roster for me.

The way Mitch found and took space to create the negative space for Bennett to fill on the game tying goal is hockey IQ at it's highest form. When they say a guy has eyes in the back of his head.. that play is exactly what they are talking about.

Watching him play over those two games vs USA was illuminating as to why he gets paid what he's paid. His sense of the game, skating ability, edge work and hands are each and all screamingly elite.
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As a Habs fan....I begrudgingly agree with this. I still think he is soft as poo when a 7 game playoff series comes.....but winning with and for Canada softened my Marner look. He is most definitely our 3rd best forward.
 
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waitin425 said:
As a Habs fan....I begrudgingly agree with this. I still think he is soft as poo when a 7 game playoff series comes.....but winning with and for Canada softened my Marner look. He is most definitely our 3rd best forward.
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He was ineffective for much of the tournament I think. But he rose in big moments. And that's what people will remember and rightly so. McDavid I think was our best player in this tournament but played a poor game last night. Will anyone remember him playing poorly though? No. They'll remember him potting the game winner. Just like everyone remembers Crosby's 2010 golden goal. He didn't play well in that tournament either. :laugh:

Can't take away Marner's game last night though. He made some great passes. I almost lost my mind when he didn't shoot in the dying seconds but his pass in OT was incredible.

It's going to be interesting to see what he does going forward. He's always had the talent. Maybe this tournament gets him to the next level.
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
He was ineffective for much of the tournament I think. But he rose in big moments. And that's what people will remember and rightly so. McDavid I think was our best player in this tournament but played a poor game last night. Will anyone remember him playing poorly though? No. They'll remember him potting the game winner. Just like everyone remembers Crosby's 2010 golden goal. He didn't play well in that tournament either. :laugh:

Can't take away Marner's game last night though. He made some great passes. I almost lost my mind when he didn't shoot in the dying seconds but his pass in OT was incredible.

It's going to be interesting to see what he does going forward. He's always had the talent. Maybe this tournament gets him to the next level.
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MacKinnon was Canada's best forward in that tournament as well as last night. He was so dangerous all game long. McDavid was badly fighting the puck in the finals. Great finish on the OT goal, but otherwise a player that had an off night with several sloppy plays on the puck.
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
He was ineffective for much of the tournament I think. But he rose in big moments. And that's what people will remember and rightly so. McDavid I think was our best player in this tournament but played a poor game last night. Will anyone remember him playing poorly though? No. They'll remember him potting the game winner. Just like everyone remembers Crosby's 2010 golden goal. He didn't play well in that tournament either. :laugh:

Can't take away Marner's game last night though. He made some great passes. I almost lost my mind when he didn't shoot in the dying seconds but his pass in OT was incredible.

It's going to be interesting to see what he does going forward. He's always had the talent. Maybe this tournament gets him to the next level.
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Agreed. Many of my fellow USA fans are harping on Fox and Matthews for their “role” in the overtime winner for Canada, and rightly so, but Marner made a great play there to get it to McDavid in the slot.
 
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GreatSaveEssensa said:
Respect!!

It not easy for a lot of people to eat crow, but you have atoned for and owned your mistake. Now if only the Tkachuk bros could do the same.
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As a (devout) Catholic, I always atone for my sins. :)

McJedi said:
and I think you're nuts.
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That's a given, my friend. 99.999% of people in this forum agree with you.

:)
 
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McJedi said:
MacKinnon was Canada's best forward in that tournament as well as last night. He was so dangerous all game long. McDavid was badly fighting the puck in the finals. Great finish on the OT goal, but otherwise a player that had an off night with several sloppy plays on the puck.
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I felt like overall McDavid was their best player. Last night though? Not so much. But of course he landed the winner. McD, Crosby, Mackinnon really led the way. They were outstanding this tournament. After that, it might have to be Marner. I didn't think he had a great tournament overall but he came through at such key moments, how can he not be at least 4th?

But Binnington (a guy who also didn't have the best tournament) was absolutely stellar last night. Guys were getting on him for his two goals but that was silly. Both of those are the same kinds of goals you see scored all the time. People got on him for the rebound too and I thought that was lame. The goalie makes the first save and it's up to the D to get to the puck afterwards. Yeah, he let in some very soft goals this tournament but that didn't happen last night. And he made so many game saving stops too. By far our best player when we needed it most. We won last night because of him.
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
But Binnington (a guy who also didn't have the best tournament) was absolutely stellar last night. Guys were getting on him for his two goals but that was silly. Both of those are the same kinds of goals you see scored all the time. People got on him for the rebound too and I thought that was lame. The goalie makes the first save and it's up to the D to get to the puck afterwards. Yeah, he let in some very soft goals this tournament but that didn't happen last night. And he made so many game saving stops too. By far our best player when we needed it most. We won last night because of him.
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He had soft goals in previous games but I can't fault him for either of the goals tonight.

Kept the team in it and then shut the door completely in OT.

Huge game from him in the end.
 
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I felt like overall McDavid was their best player. Last night though? Not so much. But of course he landed the winner. McD, Crosby, Mackinnon really led the way. They were outstanding this tournament. After that, it might have to be Marner. I didn't think he had a great tournament overall but he came through at such key moments, how can he not be at least 4th?

But Binnington (a guy who also didn't have the best tournament) was absolutely stellar last night. Guys were getting on him for his two goals but that was silly. Both of those are the same kinds of goals you see scored all the time. People got on him for the rebound too and I thought that was lame. The goalie makes the first save and it's up to the D to get to the puck afterwards. Yeah, he let in some very soft goals this tournament but that didn't happen last night. And he made so many game saving stops too. By far our best player when we needed it most. We won last night because of him.
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Crosby had a great game vs Sweden (the game Marner won in OT)... But Sidney was no where near as impactful as MacKinnon otherwise. McDavid and MacKinnon are a tier well above every other forward on team Canada.

I'd have Marner 3rd and Crosby 4th well below the top 2.
 
I'd say he did pretty damn good and came up big in the big moments. That pass to McD was gorgeous! I didn't expect such a clean play for gold.. slot pass and unstoppable shot past Helle. That was pure skill and Marner started it!
 
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ORRFForever said:
@Divine
@wetcoast
@LeafChief

A deal is a deal. I will NEVER bad mouth Marner, again.
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Ha, well said! In all seriousness, I love these unintentional reverse jinx threads (also see the one about MacKinnon).

But yeah, as a neutral, Marner's really good at hockey, plays the game the right way, historically elite passer imo while also being probably the best defensive winger in the world other than Stone. Would love to have him on my team
 
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