I Hate The Draft Lottery

[ThatSaid]

I always preferred the way Europe handles the league structure in soccer. No cap, pay your players what you like, and if you want another team's player, pay them a shitload of money for the rights to sign him. Yes, rich teams run unchecked, but some teams in small markets make tons of money by developing and selling their talent. They stay competitive that way.

Also, love the idea of relegating teams that suck. Bottom two teams in the league play in the AHL next year. Top two AHL teams move up to the NHL. Obviously, a system like this will never be implemented, but it was always my preference as someone who watches a lot of soccer. Fighting to stay up is almost as exciting as challenging for the league title. Tends to raise the level of overall play in a league too. Oh well.

 

[topshelf15]

Need another system to prevent tanking ,I agree the lottery isnt perfect,but until have something better...I would like to see it stay

 

[Not Sure]

I always preferred the way Europe handles the league structure in soccer. No cap, pay your players what you like, and if you want another team's player, pay them a ****load of money for the rights to sign him. Yes, rich teams run unchecked, but some teams in small markets make tons of money by developing and selling their talent. They stay competitive that way.

Also, love the idea of relegating teams that suck. Bottom two teams in the league play in the AHL next year. Top two AHL teams move up to the NHL. Obviously, a system like this will never be implemented, but it was always my preference as someone who watches a lot of soccer. Fighting to stay up is almost as exciting as challenging for the league title. Tends to raise the level of overall play in a league too. Oh well.

I've always been in favor of a relegation type arrangement, but there's simply too much money involved and teams are too tightly connected with the AHL. It's a pipe dream, but would make things very interesting and force ownership to do what's best for the team instead of what's best for buisness.

Also wouldn't mind a soft cap on drafted and developed talent, but could see it getting out of hand quickly with some teams. If there wasn't a cap the league would consist of Toronto, Boston, NY Rangers, Montreal, Chicago, and Pittsburgh, with a bunch of hanger on clubs with owners who have deep enough pockets and are actual fans of the game.

 

[New Jersey]

I've always been in favor of a relegation type arrangement, but there's simply too much money involved and teams are too tightly connected with the AHL. It's a pipe dream, but would make things very interesting and force ownership to do what's best for the team instead of what's best for buisness.

Also wouldn't mind a soft cap on drafted and developed talent, but could see it getting out of hand quickly with some teams. If there wasn't a cap the league would consist of Toronto, Boston, NY Rangers, Montreal, Chicago, and Pittsburgh, with a bunch of hanger on clubs with owners who have deep enough pockets and are actual fans of the game.

oh please north american soccer people barely wanna do this with mls, and i'm saying this as a soccer fan who wants promotion/relegation in our domestic league. it'll NEVER happen in mlb or the nfl/nba/nhl

 

[me2]

Need another system to prevent tanking ,I agree the lottery isnt perfect,but until have something better...I would like to see it stay

You don't need the lottery at all.

No lottery
No RFA
No ELC salary restrictions
+
Salary cap
=
No tanking.

Cap forces players to disperse which provides the talent distribution.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

It is for everyone...wasn't it Philly or NJD who jumped from #13 to #2 or something?

Not what I meant

I'm saying, instead of having lottery for the top 3 picks and having standings order determine the rest, have a lottery determine the entire top 15. So a team could jump from #14 to #7 or something.

 

[LeafFever]

What? Matthews in Toronto is a thousand times better for the NHL than if he was in Arizona were NO ONE would give a crap. In Toronto he is perceived as a top player, same numbers in Arizona and he doesn't get a mention beyond, the four goal game and his final goal total.

Just like Dahlin will be a disaster for the league if he lands in Arizona. There shouldn't even be a team there they are so irrelevant.

LOl what? OEL is seen as a top 5-10 NHL DMan in Arizona despite never accomplishing anything. You put him in Toronto and everyone laughs and criticizes his horrific +/-. And you seem to be confusing "Toronto Media" with the U.S.. Canadian teams are barely on the radar in the U.S. Matthews could have saved the Coyotees franchise by creating increaible buzz in ARIZONA which is the entire point of the poster. He could have filled that arena for the first time since they joined the NHL. And maybe they then stop mooching off of the rest of the NHL. You're missing the point here.
Stop trying to spin Matthews as some average player only getting publicity because of where he plays. You are laughably underrating him Jack Eichel still hasn't gotten 60 points in a season yet and he is seen as a franchise C in a much smaller market and gets plenty of media.

 

[Sam Spade]

LOl what? OEL is seen as a top 5-10 NHL DMan in Arizona despite never accomplishing anything. You put him in Toronto and everyone laughs and criticizes his horrific +/-. And you seem to be confusing "Toronto Media" with the U.S.. Canadian teams are barely on the radar in the U.S. Matthews could have saved the Coyotees franchise by creating increaible buzz in ARIZONA which is the entire point of the poster. He could have filled that arena for the first time since they joined the NHL. And maybe they then stop mooching off of the rest of the NHL. You're missing the point here.
Stop trying to spin Matthews as some average player only getting publicity because of where he plays. You are laughably underrating him Jack Eichel still hasn't gotten 60 points in a season yet and he is seen as a franchise C in a much smaller market and gets plenty of media.

No he wouldn't fill the arena. I have been there, have family that still lives in Glendale, it will never be popular unless they went on a Cup run and then the next season it would be dead again. Like Carolina, it is a college sport state and is a horrible spot for hockey but Bettman's stubborn pride won't move them.

And I did not mean to diminish Matthews he is a very good player and will be for many years to come.

 

[LeafFever]

No he wouldn't fill the arena. I have been there, have family that still lives in Glendale, it will never be popular unless they went on a Cup run and then the next season it would be dead again. Like Carolina, it is a college sport state and is a horrible spot for hockey but Bettman's stubborn pride won't move them.

And I did not mean to diminish Matthews he is a very good player and will be for many years to come.

A local superstar would not fill the arena. Are you sure? That was a once-in-a-lifetime shot for the Coyotees. Them getting him would have been the best thing for the NHL.
It's funny how complaining about arenas goes away once a team starts to win.

 

[Sam Spade]

A local superstar would not fill the arena. Are you sure? That was a once-in-a-lifetime shot for the Coyotees. Them getting him would have been the best thing for the NHL.
It's funny how complaining about arenas goes away once a team starts to win.

The last time they made the playoffs in 2012 and beat the Hawks that rink was 3/4 filled with Hawk fans. The year before when they played the Wings, both home games were basically Wings home games.

Yes hockey fans there know about Matthews so maybe they sell a few more tickets but most people that live there have no awareness of who he even was.

 

[LeafFever]

The last time they made the playoffs in 2012 and beat the Hawks that rink was 3/4 filled with Hawk fans. The year before when they played the Wings, both home games were basically Wings home games.

Yes hockey fans there know about Matthews so maybe they sell a few more tickets but most people that live there have no awareness of who he even was.

All they have to do is build a consistant winner to get fans more excited. A local kid would do that.
Why is it so easy for Vegas to be so loved around the community already?

 

[Sam Spade]

All they have to do is build a consistant winner to get fans more excited. A local kid would do that.
Why is it so easy for Vegas to be so loved around the community already?

Vegas isn't filled with retirees for one thing.

Maybe, maybe if the hype machine was turned to 1000 like it was in Vegas you could make it work, but the culture of the city of Glendale is not the same. The arena itself is named after an Indian casino for gods sake.

 

[AvatarAang]

This thread wouldn't even exist if the Oilers weren't so pathetic.

 

[Spazkat]

You don't need the lottery at all.

No lottery
No RFA
No ELC salary restrictions
+
Salary cap
=
No tanking.

Cap forces players to disperse which provides the talent distribution.

The only reason the system works is because they have ELC contracts and RFA years. Without those the owners would never agree to guaranteed contracts, and without the guaranteed contracts players don't agree period.

 

[qwerty]

NHL needs to institute an anti-Oilers lotto rule

That fixes 90% of the lotto

I could actually see the NHL doing this if the Oilers win the Dahlin sweepstakes and pick 1st again. Based on stories from former GM’s like Doug McLean who use to complain to the league about chincy penalties and such and such, so one could only imagine the voicemails that 30 other GMs and teams would be sending to the NHL’s front office.

For real though, would there even be a point in watching games anymore if the Oilers had both McDavid and Dahlin. Might as well just award them the Cup in October.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

This thread wouldn't even exist if the Oilers weren't so pathetic.

and if the NHL just went reverse standings order, same as the NFL and MLB, the Oilers only have 2 #1 picks instead of 4...

 

[Filatov2Kovalev2Bonk]

Eliminate the draft, RFA.
Have everyone just be a free agent, free to sign with whomever they prefer.
Luxury tax instead of cap.
Enjoy the Show.

 

[Jamin]

Do you guys remeber last time people complained and they changed the way the odds worked and it led to McDavid whereas if the hate for oilers didn't get in way and system was left as unchanged mcdavid would be with another team lol

 

[Cheapshot]

I'm sure there's plenty of fans salty about Mcdavid going to the Oilers, I'm not one of them. I still can't fathom having all those top picks though. Obviously they have been bad for a long long period of time. But really 6 top ten picks in 8 years and the highest one was Darnell nurse at 7. They had some other 1st rounders in those drafts that were not their own and last year got Yamamoto 22. How many times are they going to get such high draft picks? I'm surprised that more GMs aren't complaining. Of course the ones that would are probably in a similar situation where their team has been terrible for awhile (buffalo Eichel instead of Mcdavid.) How long can they be allowed to draft so high ? The point of the worst teams getting the best pick is to help turn the franchise around and have a player people generally like watching. They need to turn it around it's not fair to their fans. It's not fair to other bad teams that aren't getting higher picks and missing out on potentially generational players because the oilers are consistently at the bottom.

 

[Rob Brown]

The draft lottery is crap too because then the NHL can start putting guys where they want them, and don't think for a second that they won't. It's all about the dollar bill.

The first two years of the lottery, two huge Canadian markets get their saviors. I'm shocked.

I assume you mean Edmonton and Toronto, but you know that the lottery existed before, right? Those weren't the first two years of the lottery. They just changed the rules after the McDavid draft so that the top 3 picks were up for grabs via the lottery rather than just 1st overall. The Leafs had the potential to drop to 4th just like what happened with Colorado. If the rules in the 2016 draft were the same as in previous years, and the Leafs lost, they would have picked 2nd and got Laine because that's as far as they could drop.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

I'm sure there's plenty of fans salty about Mcdavid going to the Oilers, I'm not one of them. I still can't fathom having all those top picks though. Obviously they have been bad for a long long period of time. But really 6 top ten picks in 8 years and the highest one was Darnell nurse at 7. They had some other 1st rounders in those drafts that were not their own and last year got Yamamoto 22. How many times are they going to get such high draft picks? I'm surprised that more GMs aren't complaining. Of course the ones that would are probably in a similar situation where their team has been terrible for awhile (buffalo Eichel instead of Mcdavid.) How long can they be allowed to draft so high ? The point of the worst teams getting the best pick is to help turn the franchise around and have a player people generally like watching. They need to turn it around it's not fair to their fans. It's not fair to other bad teams that aren't getting higher picks and missing out on potentially generational players because the oilers are consistently at the bottom.

like when PIttsburgh got to draft:

5 OA
1 OA
2 OA
1 OA
2 OA

in 5 straight drafts?

 

[Rob Brown]

I always preferred the way Europe handles the league structure in soccer. No cap, pay your players what you like, and if you want another team's player, pay them a ****load of money for the rights to sign him. Yes, rich teams run unchecked, but some teams in small markets make tons of money by developing and selling their talent. They stay competitive that way.

Also, love the idea of relegating teams that suck. Bottom two teams in the league play in the AHL next year. Top two AHL teams move up to the NHL. Obviously, a system like this will never be implemented, but it was always my preference as someone who watches a lot of soccer. Fighting to stay up is almost as exciting as challenging for the league title. Tends to raise the level of overall play in a league too. Oh well.

Relegation would be neat but makes no sense because there are so many small market teams in the AHL. They'd also have to completely rebuild the whole farm team system, because it would make zero sense having an NHL team compete with its AHL affiliate, which in essence means it would be competing against itself.

And a salary cap is absolutely needed. You'd have 5-8 NHL teams if that that would own all of the good players, and it would absolutely kill small market teams in the NHL. Hockey is not even close to as much of a cultural mainstay in the US as football is in the UK, where teams can still draw 10,000 fans when they are in the third or fourth division. Teams in the NHL already lose money and can't sell-out, it would be even worse if they had no marketable players on their team.

 

[Cheapshot]

like when PIttsburgh got to draft:

5 OA
1 OA
2 OA
1 OA
2 OA

in 5 straight drafts?

Yeah they turned a leaf.. the oilers should too. Their fans have had to endure terrible hockey for too long. Pittsburgh had to Tampa had to Chicago had to. They all turned a corner...

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

NJ has nothing they can say badly about the draft lottery
Hischier is an absolute gem and we deserved a bit of luck after Parise walking and Kovalchuk retiring in one off-season

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Why don't we just go back to 6 teams?

Every game is an All-Star game.