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Lol, it absolutely does. We just need a few more teams to clear out the AHL or Euro leagues, and then the dad bod second job folks will rise up to play on evenings and weekends.
I don't believe in the "expansion will dilute the talent pool" argument
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Would you be happier with the Seattle Seahawks, Minnesota Vikings, Utah Jazz or any number of college teams in football and basketball who regularly pack their stadiums despite having practically no hope of winning their championship?
The "fans will leave if they don't have a hope of winning the Cup" argument is utterly unsupported by any evidence and is specious.
But it *sounds* good!
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It will dilute the talent pool, but there is a case to be made that the talent pool needs to be diluted.
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I think 2nd 3rd place should get higher status, a olympic bronze silver, or world championship has status, how come in the states and NHL
only win counts, is it a cultural thing in US? 2nd is first loser mentality?
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European football is the last place to look if you're concerned about keeping interest by having teams win championships. The big 5 leagues are all dominated by a very small number of teams.
I keep coming back to this: your concern about how often teams win championships or are contenders is already the way it is. Going to 36 from 32 is not going to change that. 16 current NHL teams have either never won a Cup or haven't won in 30+ years.
So to answer your question about how many fans will stay interested? Most of them.
Yep. Second is tied for last.
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Logistically it will dilute the talent pool, and truthfully I noticed a difference between now and 30 teams. The positive part is I believe adding more teams adds more value to the regular season, as long as it stays the same format (16 teams)
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remebering old Reagan joke when US and Sovjet met in something, US won, in Sovjet newspaper they reported
The americans came 2nd to last and the Sovjet a memorable silver place.
I phrased that horribly, I meant bottom lines for every team during/after expansion
It's already happening. There are barely enough quality goaltenders and centers to go around.
The NHL needs infinite expansion to simulate growth regardless of the quality of the product. Like all other ponzis this will fail soon enough.
The NHL needs infinite expansion to simulate growth regardless of the quality of the product. Like all other ponzis this will fail soon enough.
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That has more to do with the lack of a salary cap than anything else
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Kinda sounds like you're just shooting from the hip here. I'm not discussing the NFL. I'm discussing the NHL. Baseball would be a decent comparison. Lots of empty seats on bad/mediocre teams.
The issue is not the depth of the talent, the added players will be at the level of the current bottom NHL players.
The biggest issue is that there will be few second/third liners who will become the top C or the top D on the new teams. There will be a few backups, who will become the team's new starter. Some bottom 6 players will start playing in the top 6. The short list of superstar/star players in the league will be split among more teams, there will be fewer teams that have multiple top players.
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The same could be said about some of the guys making up NHL 2nd lines these days.
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In some ways I don’t disagree but on the other hand:
1) Look how hard it is for a team to acquire a 2C let alone a 1C. Colorado had to pay an arm and a leg to get a 33 year old 2C
2) Look how hard it is for a team to acquire a second pairing RD. Let alone a top pairing dman.
3) I don’t think theres even even goalie for each team to have a #1 Goalie. Theres like 5-6 good ones and like 20 total mid guys.
1) Look how hard it is for a team to acquire a 2C let alone a 1C. Colorado had to pay an arm and a leg to get a 33 year old 2C
2) Look how hard it is for a team to acquire a second pairing RD. Let alone a top pairing dman.
3) I don’t think theres even even goalie for each team to have a #1 Goalie. Theres like 5-6 good ones and like 20 total mid guys.
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When more teams are added in the coming years, of course the talent will be spread around little thinner over a greater number of teams, but itwont be a big problem. There are enough good players today.
It was a very different situation in 1967. The talent pool was a LOT smaller. Going from six to twelve teams resulted in many weak players entering the league. There was quite a lot of young talent in the Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia, but unavailable to the NHL.
Even pre-1967, there were a lot of weak players in the Original 6.
It's very different today, and it's been very different for a long time. Lots of players can skate now.
It was a very different situation in 1967. The talent pool was a LOT smaller. Going from six to twelve teams resulted in many weak players entering the league. There was quite a lot of young talent in the Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia, but unavailable to the NHL.
Even pre-1967, there were a lot of weak players in the Original 6.
It's very different today, and it's been very different for a long time. Lots of players can skate now.
The talent pool won't change, but there will be more teams scooping so everyone will get a little less.
SmokeyDuck
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I feel like the quality of the players with modern sports science and technology overall, plus exposure to new markets, will make up for any short term dilution of talent.
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initially, its just a different distribution of the talent. some 'top 6 or bust' guys will get the top 6 opportunities instead of being miscast on the 3rd or 4th lines. some ahl tweeners, that have the skill set for those roles will get a chance and some 30+ guys that can still contribute may get another contract instead of going to europe. it should also lead to increased goals being scored, likely good for marketing highlights and excitement.
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they do need limits & a plan. 36 teams for nhl is fine. 40 should mean relegation and a tier 2 league for the bottom 20 teams. relegation kills minor leagues so everything gets tossed in a blender to create something like ncaa conferences or uk/euro soccer with multiple leagues and a champions league. new york alone has 11 teams between nhl, ahl, fphl. other areas have echl & sphl. could easily create some incomprehensible monster that leads to an 8 team nhl playoffs for the cup. it would lead to academies & u18 squads running parallel to juniors & competing with ncaa for 19 year olds. it could kill the traditional draft. 8 nhl conferences drafting 16 year olds for regional academy, champion league getting first chance at ncaa (with ncaa allowing people to play until they are 30 because of NIL contracts) some random peewee from the yukon having to choose between baton rouge or arizona state or kelowna rockets. there is a line everything just breaks. kids leave kraken academy because they just bring in 19 year old swedes. swedes sign with steelheads and suddenly champion league final is abbotsford vs vegas. (end rant)
(rant)
they do need limits & a plan. 36 teams for nhl is fine. 40 should mean relegation and a tier 2 league for the bottom 20 teams. relegation kills minor leagues so everything gets tossed in a blender to create something like ncaa conferences or uk/euro soccer with multiple leagues and a champions league. new york alone has 11 teams between nhl, ahl, fphl. other areas have echl & sphl. could easily create some incomprehensible monster that leads to an 8 team nhl playoffs for the cup. it would lead to academies & u18 squads running parallel to juniors & competing with ncaa for 19 year olds. it could kill the traditional draft. 8 nhl conferences drafting 16 year olds for regional academy, champion league getting first chance at ncaa (with ncaa allowing people to play until they are 30 because of NIL contracts) some random peewee from the yukon having to choose between baton rouge or arizona state or kelowna rockets. there is a line everything just breaks. kids leave kraken academy because they just bring in 19 year old swedes. swedes sign with steelheads and suddenly champion league final is abbotsford vs vegas. (end rant)
