Post-Game Talk: I can totally believe the Jets swept the Oilers

[tbcwpg]

Not saying it’s a conspiracy, like they’ve hatched a plot behind the scenes with malicious intent.

But I do think it’s motivated reasoning, reflecting the bias of Leafs fans looking ahead to a series against the Jets.

I have a hard time believing the topic would come up right now among these Toronto-based writers if the Leafs were looking ahead to a series against the Oilers, with the question of whether Toronto’s heavy and gritty roster (even more so since the trade deadline) could keep McDrai off the scoresheet, instead of whether the Jets grinders can keep Matthews, Marner and Nylander in check.

Not saying it's a behind the scenes plot thing, I'm saying the idea that has been raised on here that these writers are writing these things to build an excuse for the Leafs if they lose round 2 or to give the league something to think about going into round 2, is extremely farfetched to me. Leafs writers aren't writing this stuff.

 

[GeorgeJETson]

Just saw @AmericanDream made a return at the end of the old thread. Welcome!

HFBlackhawks are so lucky to have him.

Do you suppose we could permanently trade for him?

 

[DuckyGirard]

ok

 

[Teemusalami204]

I’m still re heating my leftover crow and eating it with pride.

this team rose to the occasion in every possible way. I’ve never been more proud of them.

They played tough and structured, flipped a switch immediately from the reg season to playoffs. Something almost everyone thought they couldn’t do.

Maurice has earned another year for me. The roster is going to grow stronger every year for the next 3 after this season IMO and I’m hoping he’s the guy to help win us a cup

 

[Jets 31]

I’m still re heating my leftover crow and eating it with pride.

this team rose to the occasion in every possible way. I’ve never been more proud of them.

They played tough and structured, flipped a switch immediately from the reg season to playoffs. Something almost everyone thought they couldn’t do.

Maurice has earned another year for me. The roster is going to grow stronger every year for the next 3 after this season IMO and I’m hoping he’s the guy to help win us a cup

Welcome aboard the positivity train and there is always room for more.

 

[Neuf]

Ok I'm ready for round 2. I think if the Jets get any more rest they'll be rusty

 

[Jets 31]

Ok I'm ready for round 2. I think if the Jets get any more rest they'll be rusty

Yep especially with the new restrictions all you basically can do is sit at home and watch TV .

 

[Teemusalami204]

Welcome aboard the positivity train and there is always room for more.

Thank you. I have been looking for a reason and this series was it

 

[Hems55]

I need to eat some crow pie as well. I had the Oilers in 5. No one in our pool had the Jets in a sweep. It’s stunning to me how a team coming off a bad run could turn around and play a structured complete hockey playoff series. My compliments to the coaching staff as well for a great strategy and execution.

Did I also mention how nice it was to hear the Oilers talk about how they won games and yet ultimately got swept. Not giving the Jets credit for outplaying and outscoring them was a classeless move. Then there was Helle.......

Bring on round 2!

 

[Jetland162702]

I couldn't help but notice that the Jets were very gracious in the post series interviews giving the Oilers a lot of credit while I did not hear anything like that from any of the Oilers including Tippett. A day later Ken Holland was fairly gracious but other than that it was pretty sad.

 

[tbcwpg]

I couldn't help but notice that the Jets were very gracious in the post series interviews giving the Oilers a lot of credit while I did not hear anything like that from any of the Oilers including Tippett. A day later Ken Holland was fairly gracious but other than that it was pretty sad.

Easy to be gracious when you win.

 

[Slimy Sculpin]

Easy to be gracious when you win.

I watched them and Jetland stated facts regarding the post-series interviews. Why would you , as a "moderator" continue to "stir the pot"?

 

[tbcwpg]

I watched them and Jetland stated facts regarding the post-series interviews. Why would you , as a "moderator" continue to "stir the pot"?

Haha I'm a poster first and foremost. If you think disagreement is stirring the pot you may not want to post here.

I don't disagree that the Oilers didn't say much about the Jets (though the questions from media they were answering weren't phrased in a way to get answers like that), but it's easier to be gracious when you win and less when you lose a 4 game series after believing, rightly or wrongly, that you were the better team in all 4 games and are about 20-30 minutes past losing a triple OT game.

 

[ElLoboBlanco]

@Evil Little Uhm I'm confused by this in the last thread?



I argued against them? How am I spreading propaganda by arguing against it?

Like they have some points... but they jump to a conclusion with a fairly large assumption:
1) The playoffs typically has refs letting a lot more slide
2) The game would likely be a better if they did as it would allow for more skill plays and excitment

But, they forgot a few things which I also told them on Twitter:
1) The playoffs still feature the same rate of penalties as the regular season... there is more getting away with stuff and there is also more being attempted.*
2) The Oilers got more calls than the Jets
3) The Oilers got as many calls as they typically get in aggregate/rate relative to regular season

Maybe a more regular season style of calling would cause the Oilers star players to create more, it seems like a plausible hypothesis, but maybe not. It's just a guess. Who knows. It would also help Jets skill players too. It is interesting that the shot and scoring chance differentials werent that different in POs between the two teams as the regular season.


* One thing I brought up on Twitter is I always hypothesized reason why we see unchanged rates is because players feel they can get away with more since more stuff slides and the two impacts counter eachother, but there may be some (or a lot) of the reverse happening too: It is possible that players just try to get away with more because the stakes are higher, and refs don't want special teams to take over the game so they hide their whistles more. I will point out I don't blame the refs, as this comes from above, the NHL.

Just out of curiosity did the Jets recieved the same amount of PP's based on regular season rates and did they take the same amount of penalties as regular season rates?

 

[Adam da bomb]

Easy to be gracious when you win.

Easier to win with a healthy respect for your opponent.

 

[Teemusalami204]

Timing of penalties matters as well. The refs gave the oilers three 5 on 3s . Plenty of chances to win Games. The refs also let nurse get away with a 100 percent delay of game call because of the timing IMO.

I agree that if mcdavid wasn’t such a perimeter player because of his speed he would
Of drawn a penalty or two in the series.

The jets deserve all credit in the world for how they handled everything.

 

[Jet]

I watched them and Jetland stated facts regarding the post-series interviews. Why would you , as a "moderator" continue to "stir the pot"?

He's not stirring the pot in my opinion. The Oilers were likely devastated and when you feel like you've failed that bad, pumping up your opponents tires is farthest from your mind.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

It is weird to think that the holes on our team are much easier to fix and could make us a really strong team for years then the team with probably 2 top 5 players in the league

 

[LowLefty]

I couldn't help but notice that the Jets were very gracious in the post series interviews giving the Oilers a lot of credit while I did not hear anything like that from any of the Oilers including Tippett. A day later Ken Holland was fairly gracious but other than that it was pretty sad.

Maybe not gracious - and maybe more the fact that there was very little of any feedback on the Jets is another way to frame it.

I'd expect some acknowledgement of your opponent at some point after a tough series - win or lose.
"they played a disciplined game" - "they fought hard" - "they have depth" - "they have great goaltending" - "they have a lot of skill up front"
But we got nothing from this team.

Doesn't matter one way or another but since it's come up, it's worth mentioning that there is obviously very little respect for the Jets from this org. There's a smugness in that group (IMO) - glad we were able to deflate it and it makes taking them out in 4 straight all the more glorious -

 

[Slimy Sculpin]

He's not stirring the pot in my opinion. The Oilers were likely devastated and when you feel like you've failed that bad, pumping up your opponents tires is farthest from your mind.

I don't know if you golf or follow the sport but in 2003 Mike Weir, for a while, was the #3 ranked golfer on the planet (mid-July, 2003 rankings, behind only Tiger Woods and Ernie Els) so he was under intense pressure and scrutiny from most Canadians when he played the Canadian Open in 2004. (The media made a really big deal about Weir having a great shot at being the first Canadian since the early 1950s to win the Canadian Open.) It was "in the bag" except that he collapsed during the fourth round and lost in a playoff to VJ Singh. In his post-tournament interviews, Weir appeared and was devastated. He admitted that he "choked" but with the assuredness and self-confidence that pros in any profession exhibit, he also said that if his putting game had been on, it wouldn't have been a tournament. However, he congratulated Singh on his game and for being the better player on the day. Perhaps, a little more class than the Oilers although I'll give Ken Holland props for congratulating the Jets.

 

[Jetland162702]

Easy to be gracious when you win.

Of course it is, but people with character do it all the time.

 

[Evil Little]

Not saying it's a behind the scenes plot thing, I'm saying the idea that has been raised on here that these writers are writing these things to build an excuse for the Leafs if they lose round 2 or to give the league something to think about going into round 2, is extremely farfetched to me. Leafs writers aren't writing this stuff.

Both Doerrie and McIndoe are Leafs writers--the latter having moved National quite a few years ago--and Leafs fans. Every time they state that the Jets were taking uncalled penalties and omitting that the Oilers were taking uncalled penalties it serves the larger narrative that there was injustice that lead to the Jets winning. This false one-sided narrative--that the league let McDavid down but not calling penalties the Jets were committing--can only help whoever the Jets play next.

Do I think it's an intentional tactic? In Luszczyszyn's case, certainly not (he did indeed apologize for his one-sided initial coverage and correctly asserted that the missed calls went both ways). In Doerrie's and McIndoe's cases probably not. It's still unfair, unprofessional, and possibly born of some sort of anticipatory Jets hate.

If the Leafs (sic) make it through, the cynic in me is fully anticipating the false narrative snowballing and it working directly against the Jets.

 

[pictman]

To me it's got rather silly. The Oilers lost because they had no counter to the Jets game plan. The Jets could run 2 lines against McD that executed the plan well. The Oilers due to a lack of depth had no counter. They regularly left his line on for 2 complete shifts of the Jets. What does that say. All the talk is because McD is super hyped. He has reached God like status in the media so when he is outplayed it must be something nefarious. Illegal things HAD to be happening or he would have humbled the Jets with his magnificence.