Hypothetical Russia WJC

[Hanji]

NO POLITICS OR ANYTHING RELATED TO RUSSIA’S SUSPENSION.
Don't hijack the thread by posting anything other than comments about players, or how the roster compares to other nations’.

So what prospects make the cut? Maybe something like this?

But - Demidov - Artamonov
Chernyshev - Ilyin - Rimashevsky
Mukhanov - Surin - Rykov
Avramov - Kozlov - Khanin

Simashev - Gulyayev
Silayev - Shuravin
Ishimnikov - Shchuchinov

Zavragin
Volokhin

They’ve super good D. Quite the rarity for Russia. Great G and arguably the best F in the tournament in Demidov.

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[Zine]

Not a bad guess. The 2005 generation is quite deep so there’d be many candidates. The locks IMO
Demidov
Artamonov
Ilyin
But
Surin
Rimashevsky
Mukhanov
Chernyshov (if healthy)
Rykov
Silayev
Simashev
Gulyayev
Zavragin

Along with Canada this team would be one of the favorities for gold… at least on paper.

 

[lilidk]

Is any 2025 draft available I should pay attention

 

[Caser]

Demidov-Surin-But
Rykov-Ilyin-Artamonov
Chernyshov*-Ryabkin-Rimashevskiy
Mukhanov-Gorbunov-Susuyev
Kozlov, Gridin
*since Chernyshov is injured with no return date, then maybe Khanin instead

Simashev-Gulyayev
Kudashov-Silayev
Shuravin-Ulyev
Shchuchinov-Kol

Zavragin
Volokhin
Andreyanov

Overall not as amazing depth as it would be for the 2003 born team, but still I like it more than the 2004 born crop (which was decent and would've had Michkov and Miroshnichenko, but sort of lacked depth).

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Likely a Gold medal contender.

Too bad.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Good for bronze or fourth place.

 

[WayTooCold]

That team would be gold medal candidate easily.

 

[Czechboy]

Fantastic and deep roster. Strong in every position. They would've been up there with the fantastic rosters coming from Canada/US/Sweden this year as I believe those rosters will be stacked as well! Definite medal contender.

 

[Caser]

Fantastic and deep roster. Strong in every position. They would've been up there with the fantastic rosters coming from Canada/US/Sweden this year as I believe those rosters will be stacked as well! Definite medal contender.

To be fair, depth at D is not exactly that amazing this year, but GK and FWs are pretty good, yes.

 

[novisor]

I am not as familiar with Russian prospects and the biggest cause of this is the ban from the WJC (and other international competition). Theses athletes did nothing wrong and I absolutely hate that there are really only 4 teams that can win the tournament any more (though it has been good to see the Czech's step up). Every year it was the question of who wouldn't make it to the semi's between Canada/USA/Sweden/Finland/Russia, now it's largely a given unless you have an upset like you did last year.

 

[Czechboy]

I am not as familiar with Russian prospects and the biggest cause of this is the ban from the WJC (and other international competition). Theses athletes did nothing wrong and I absolutely hate that there are really only 4 teams that can win the tournament any more (though it has been good to see the Czech's step up). Every year it was the question of who wouldn't make it to the semi's between Canada/USA/Sweden/Finland/Russia, now it's largely a given unless you have an upset like you did last year.

Last 3 years... Czechs are 4th, silver and bronze. I do agree with your sentiment though. I just like pointing out we haven't totally sucked 3 in a row.lol I'm sure we'll regress though.

 

[novisor]

Last 3 years... Czechs are 4th, silver and bronze. I do agree with your sentiment though. I just like pointing out we haven't totally sucked 3 in a row.lol I'm sure we'll regress though.

It's been a nice surprise, the better the competition the better the tourney is. Hard to say if all of these results would've happened with Russia though. Regression to the mean is likely ahead - which if other teams don't step up (Switzerland, Germany, Slovakia, etc.) may put pressure to reinstate Russia.

 

[Albatros]

Russia last won in 2011 and before that 2003 so it's not like they've been a powerhouse either. Czechia and Sweden are the only teams that have made the semifinals each of last three years. Slovakia has been fine the last few years despite being stuck in the quarterfinals. Switzerland also lost to finalists Sweden only after OT last year.

 

[novisor]

Russia last won in 2011 and before that 2003 so it's not like they've been a powerhouse either. Czechia and Sweden are the only teams that have made the semifinals each of last three years. Slovakia has been fine the last few years despite being stuck in the quarterfinals. Switzerland also lost to finalists Sweden only after OT last year.

Sure. Doesn't mean the tournament isn't better served with Russia in it though. The 2020 final of Russia vs Canada was an all time classic. 2015 was great too. They've silvered a number of times since their last win.

 

[Caser]

Russia last won in 2011 and before that 2003 so it's not like they've been a powerhouse either. Czechia and Sweden are the only teams that have made the semifinals each of last three years. Slovakia has been fine the last few years despite being stuck in the quarterfinals. Switzerland also lost to finalists Sweden only after OT last year.

In the last 10 times when Russia participated (so 2013-2022) they won 0 golds, 3 silvers, 4 bronzes and had 1 4th place finish. In the same timeframe:
Canada: 4 golds, 2 silvers, 0 bronzes, 2 4th places
Sweden: 0 golds, 3 silvers, 2 bronzes, 3 4th places
Finland: 3 golds, 1 silver, 1 bronze, 1 4th place
USA: 3 golds, 1 silver, 2 bronzes, 0 4th places

I mean, if Russia isn't a powerhouse then pretty much only Canada is.

 

[Hanji]

Russia last won in 2011 and before that 2003 so it's not like they've been a powerhouse either. Czechia and Sweden are the only teams that have made the semifinals each of last three years. Slovakia has been fine the last few years despite being stuck in the quarterfinals. Switzerland also lost to finalists Sweden only after OT last year.

In the last 10 times when Russia participated (so 2013-2022) they won 0 golds, 3 silvers, 4 bronzes and had 1 4th place finish. In the same timeframe:
Canada: 4 golds, 2 silvers, 0 bronzes, 2 4th places
Sweden: 0 golds, 3 silvers, 2 bronzes, 3 4th places
Finland: 3 golds, 1 silver, 1 bronze, 1 4th place
USA: 3 golds, 1 silver, 2 bronzes, 0 4th places

I mean, if Russia isn't a powerhouse then pretty much only Canada is.

They have more medals than anybody else in that time frame. It shows that Russia, more than even Canada, is consistently among the tournament elite year after year.

Anyways we're getting off the original topic here.

 

[Czechboy]

It's been a nice surprise, the better the competition the better the tourney is. Hard to say if all of these results would've happened with Russia though. Regression to the mean is likely ahead - which if other teams don't step up (Switzerland, Germany, Slovakia, etc.) may put pressure to reinstate Russia.

For sure... Better teams and better competition would be great. To my eye... Belarus was doing very good things at U18s and may have had a few good U20 teams.

 

[novisor]

In the last 10 times when Russia participated (so 2013-2022) they won 0 golds, 3 silvers, 4 bronzes and had 1 4th place finish. In the same timeframe:
Canada: 4 golds, 2 silvers, 0 bronzes, 2 4th places
Sweden: 0 golds, 3 silvers, 2 bronzes, 3 4th places
Finland: 3 golds, 1 silver, 1 bronze, 1 4th place
USA: 3 golds, 1 silver, 2 bronzes, 0 4th places

I mean, if Russia isn't a powerhouse then pretty much only Canada is.

Exactly. Gut wrenching OT losses in 2012 and 2016 too. 2020 was a late third period loss. A couple different bounces and they are at the top of this list.

 

[Albatros]

A couple of different bounces and they don't have any final appearances, it's not like they dominated any of those tournaments and just got unlucky in the final.

 

[jcbio11]

In the last 10 times when Russia participated (so 2013-2022) they won 0 golds, 3 silvers, 4 bronzes and had 1 4th place finish. In the same timeframe:
Canada: 4 golds, 2 silvers, 0 bronzes, 2 4th places
Sweden: 0 golds, 3 silvers, 2 bronzes, 3 4th places
Finland: 3 golds, 1 silver, 1 bronze, 1 4th place
USA: 3 golds, 1 silver, 2 bronzes, 0 4th places

I mean, if Russia isn't a powerhouse then pretty much only Canada is.

And Finland. And USA.

Russia isn't a powerhouse. Or I should say wasn't. They're nothing now, not even a competitor.

 

[Caser]

And Finland. And USA.

Russia isn't a powerhouse. Or I should say wasn't. They're nothing now, not even a competitor.

I mean, I understand that Math is not for everyone, but I'm not sure how from these numbers you can derive that kind of conclusion, I hope you have some interesting formula.