Hypothetical: If Ovechkin reaches 950 or 1000 goals, is he top ten all-time?

I guess it's a longevity thing vs a prime thing. He had a great prime. And it's cool he's padding goals but I don't think anyone has considered him a top player in the league the last 6-7 years. Were his 10 elite years top 10 in the nhl all time? Was he the best goal scorer ever or just the one who played the longest?

For example, A healthy lemieux probably smashes the goal scoring record. Bossy?
You think Bossy could have broken the record when he was consistently outscored by the guy who set the record? They played at the same time for crying out loud!
 
He's not the reason they lost anymore than he was the sole reason they won in 2018.

So when he coughs up 2 goals in a 2-0 game 7 loss, that didn’t affect winning and losing?



Have dozens of examples like this.

Like floating at center ice when his team is losing game 7 OT.

The guy scored more goals than anyone. Playing for a first place team. In the lowest scoring era.

He should be like +300.

He’s not.

Because the stats are pointing to what anyone can see outside of the highlights.

He’s dangerous at both ends of the ice.
 
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So when he coughs up 2 goals in a 2-0 loss, that didn’t affect winning and losing?



Have dozens of examples like this.

Like floating at center ice when his team is losing game 7 OT.

The guy scored more goals than anyone. Playing for a first place team. In the lowest scoring era.

He should be like +300.

He’s not.

Because the stats are pointing to what anyone can see outside of the highlights.

He’s dangerous at both ends of the ice.

Who is in your top 10?
 
Remind me when either of these players were the all-time goal scoring leaders?
Ovechkin is also DRASTICALLY better at peak than either of those guys.

That poster implying that its just career totals... yikes

3x points per game leader, in a row, while getting the Lindsay all three years

and 9 goalscoring titles.

Give me a break, lol.

Dionne at least has a Ross, and a bunch of high finishes. Francis is nowhere near Ovechkin's peak, prime or career.
 
So when he coughs up 2 goals in a 2-0 loss, that didn’t affect winning and losing?

Putting those two goals entirely on him is a stretch, the second one was unacceptable to be let in and there were two defenders in position who didn't stop Hornqvist. The first one, there was a better play to be made by the defenseman getting the puck to the Caps players more towards the center of the ice.

In both cases did he contribute to the puck not getting out, absolutely. Does it deserve criticism, 100%. The sole reason the goals were scored, agenda.
 
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I guess it's a longevity thing vs a prime thing. He had a great prime. And it's cool he's padding goals but I don't think anyone has considered him a top player in the league the last 6-7 years. Were his 10 elite years top 10 in the nhl all time? Was he the best goal scorer ever or just the one who played the longest?

For example, A healthy lemieux probably smashes the goal scoring record. Bossy?

Gretzky did way more padding to end his career than Ovechkin is now. He's going to potentially finish 2nd in goals after missing 16 games for a team that is top of the conference.

He is top 5 in the league in points/60 this season. One of the best even-strength point producers, this season. He has been one of the best players in the league this year.
 
He’s already top 10 all-time, nothing left to prove anymore. Once the record is broken, he has the luxury of playing NHL hockey just for fun and money.
 
Gretzky did way more padding to end his career than Ovechkin is now. He's going to potentially finish 2nd in goals after missing 16 games for a team that is top of the conference.

He is top 5 in the league in points/60 this season. One of the best even-strength point producers, this season. He has been one of the best players in the league this year.
Gretzky's only somewhat weak year was his last one, and then he retired. It wasnt even that weak. He was top 5 in points each of the two years previous.
 
Team success does not define individual greatness, and that’s a lazy argument to detract from a players standing as an all time great, come on man lol…

Agree.

But even if that was the metric, Ovechkin's team has been widely successful.

So it's just a poor argument all around.
 
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So when he coughs up 2 goals in a 2-0 game 7 loss, that didn’t affect winning and losing?



Have dozens of examples like this.

Like floating at center ice when his team is losing game 7 OT.

The guy scored more goals than anyone. Playing for a first place team. In the lowest scoring era.

He should be like +300.

He’s not.

Because the stats are pointing to what anyone can see outside of the highlights.

He’s dangerous at both ends of the ice.

He’s had good game 7’s and bad Game 7’s. Something to remember about OV and the Caps through their playoff woes is they were typically matched up against Tortarella and his turtling Rangers. It stifled the offensive production of all their players just like the Rangers did to everyone they played.
 
Sid definitely does not make teams worse. He’s just been more healthy when his team is bad somehow
Sid single handedly kick his team out of PO last season by hiding his minuses behind Malkin.
His team plays with inspiration without these dirty tricks from their captain.



Malkin's PPG is better w/o Sid (and Sid PPG is lower w/o Malkin).
 
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Sid definitely does not make teams worse. He’s just been more healthy when his team is bad somehow

Crosby is an all-time great player who would dramatically improve any team.

Unfortunately, his fans and the Canadian media get overzealous in support of Sid and the group think leads people to say ridiculous things - such as claiming Crosby carries the team or that he doesn't have quality players around him (which has seldom been true). The team's excellent winning % without Crosby does go some distance towards refuting those things.
 
Gretzky's only somewhat weak year was his last one, and then he retired. It wasnt even that weak. He was top 5 in points each of the two years previous.

We're talking about goals specifically, and he was absolutely done as a top goal scorer years before he retired.
 
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Crosby is an all-time great player who would dramatically improve any team.

Unfortunately, his fans and the Canadian media get overzealous in support of Sid and the group think leads people to say ridiculous things - such as claiming Crosby carries the team or that he doesn't have quality players around him (which has seldom been true). The team's excellent winning % without Crosby does go some distance towards refuting those things.

This. Crosby has always up until the past couple of seasons had great teams around him and he is also a top 10 player ever and will push for top 5. Two things can be true.
 
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We're talking about goals specifically, and he was absolutely done as a top goal scorer years before he retired.
oh ok. yes, he definitely was.

Its why I don't get the Gretzky shootout Nagano gripe.
 
If he wins a cup this year and is a prominent reason then he’ll go in my top ten. Right now he’s just outside of it but honestly after the big 5 (with Crosby) everyone between 6-15 has an argument to be there.
 
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He did. But what if he pulls a Jagr and returns at some point or changes his mind or something?

He will play in the NHL next season. If he has another season like his current one, 950 should be within reach at least.
Chasing a record is a motivating factor. I think if he comes back we finally see the major regression. Teammates won’t be so determined to feed him as much. I hope he wins the cup and rides off into the sunset early. That’s how I would like to see him go out.
 
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