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Are Ron Francis and Marcel Dionne in your top 10?
Remind me when either of these players were the all-time goal scoring leaders?
Are Ron Francis and Marcel Dionne in your top 10?
You think Bossy could have broken the record when he was consistently outscored by the guy who set the record? They played at the same time for crying out loud!I guess it's a longevity thing vs a prime thing. He had a great prime. And it's cool he's padding goals but I don't think anyone has considered him a top player in the league the last 6-7 years. Were his 10 elite years top 10 in the nhl all time? Was he the best goal scorer ever or just the one who played the longest?
For example, A healthy lemieux probably smashes the goal scoring record. Bossy?
He's not the reason they lost anymore than he was the sole reason they won in 2018.
So when he coughs up 2 goals in a 2-0 loss, that didn’t affect winning and losing?
Have dozens of examples like this.
Like floating at center ice when his team is losing game 7 OT.
The guy scored more goals than anyone. Playing for a first place team. In the lowest scoring era.
He should be like +300.
He’s not.
Because the stats are pointing to what anyone can see outside of the highlights.
He’s dangerous at both ends of the ice.
Ovechkin is also DRASTICALLY better at peak than either of those guys.Remind me when either of these players were the all-time goal scoring leaders?
So when he coughs up 2 goals in a 2-0 loss, that didn’t affect winning and losing?
I guess it's a longevity thing vs a prime thing. He had a great prime. And it's cool he's padding goals but I don't think anyone has considered him a top player in the league the last 6-7 years. Were his 10 elite years top 10 in the nhl all time? Was he the best goal scorer ever or just the one who played the longest?
For example, A healthy lemieux probably smashes the goal scoring record. Bossy?
2 guys thats gonna have 200-300 less goals by the end? Seems comparableAre Ron Francis and Marcel Dionne in your top 10?
Gretzky's only somewhat weak year was his last one, and then he retired. It wasnt even that weak. He was top 5 in points each of the two years previous.Gretzky did way more padding to end his career than Ovechkin is now. He's going to potentially finish 2nd in goals after missing 16 games for a team that is top of the conference.
He is top 5 in the league in points/60 this season. One of the best even-strength point producers, this season. He has been one of the best players in the league this year.
Team success does not define individual greatness, and that’s a lazy argument to detract from a players standing as an all time great, come on man lol…
So when he coughs up 2 goals in a 2-0 game 7 loss, that didn’t affect winning and losing?
Have dozens of examples like this.
Like floating at center ice when his team is losing game 7 OT.
The guy scored more goals than anyone. Playing for a first place team. In the lowest scoring era.
He should be like +300.
He’s not.
Because the stats are pointing to what anyone can see outside of the highlights.
He’s dangerous at both ends of the ice.
Don't get me started on Brodeur having a higher save percentage than Luongo in 2007. I'm still not over that one.Yep, people who pull this stuff either don't understand mix issues or have a horse in the race.
Sid single handedly kick his team out of PO last season by hiding his minuses behind Malkin.Sid definitely does not make teams worse. He’s just been more healthy when his team is bad somehow
Sid definitely does not make teams worse. He’s just been more healthy when his team is bad somehow
Gretzky's only somewhat weak year was his last one, and then he retired. It wasnt even that weak. He was top 5 in points each of the two years previous.
This is exactly how I feel.Top 5 is the question, not top 10.
Crosby is an all-time great player who would dramatically improve any team.
Unfortunately, his fans and the Canadian media get overzealous in support of Sid and the group think leads people to say ridiculous things - such as claiming Crosby carries the team or that he doesn't have quality players around him (which has seldom been true). The team's excellent winning % without Crosby does go some distance towards refuting those things.
oh ok. yes, he definitely was.We're talking about goals specifically, and he was absolutely done as a top goal scorer years before he retired.
Don't get me started on Brodeur having a higher save percentage than Luongo in 2007. I'm still not over that one.
Chasing a record is a motivating factor. I think if he comes back we finally see the major regression. Teammates won’t be so determined to feed him as much. I hope he wins the cup and rides off into the sunset early. That’s how I would like to see him go out.He did. But what if he pulls a Jagr and returns at some point or changes his mind or something?
He will play in the NHL next season. If he has another season like his current one, 950 should be within reach at least.