Hutson's next contract

[Scriptor]

Its really not. You have a window for the next 5-6 years. Next year is his last 900k year and you get him for another 6 years after that.

forcing 8 years will provide little value to the habs and Hutson. Forcing 8 years will have the habs add money to his cap to secure his prine years. The next 5-6 years cap space is crucial to build a competitive team.

Its atually a huge win-win-win for everyone to go for 6 years and save cap.

6 years gives you 4 years of Cup window that 2nd NHL contract, IMO. That's a good stretch seeing what he actually brings to the table in the playoffs before extending him to his biggest contract at full term.

The extension after then 6-year contract as a 2nd NHL contract comes with at least 6 years of full value, IMO, and a risk of a drop in production in the final two years, rather than being a bad contract with four good years and four not so good years handed out to a 30-year old.

The team still being near its best after 6 years for a 2nd NHL contract also increases the odds of seeing Hutson sign a maximum term contract at a more reasonable Cap hit as a final big NHL contract, IMO.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

6 years gives you 4 years of Cup window that 2nd NHL contract, IMO. That's a good stretch seeing what he actually brings to the table in the playoffs before extending him to his biggest contract at full term.

The extension after then 6-year contract as a 2nd NHL contract comes with at least 6 years of full value, IMO, and a risk of a drop in production in the final two years, rather than being a bad contract with four good years and four not so good years handed out to a 30-year old.

The team still being near its best after 6 years for a 2nd NHL contract also increases the odds of seeing Hutson sign a maximum term contract at a more reasonable Cap hit as a final big NHL contract, IMO.

The problem with signing him 6 years is that if you plan to re-sign the core players, Hutson's next contract will come too close to the other contracts and we might not have enough cap growth to sign everyone, effectively ending the gravy years of having the entire core, just like what happened to Chicago.

If we sign both Hutson and Demi to 6 years:

Suzuki 2030
Guhle 2031
Caufield 2031
Hutson 2032
Slaf 2033
Demidov 2033

if we sign both 8 years:

Suzuki 2030
Guhle 2031
Caufield 2031
Slaf 2033
Hutson 2034
Demidov 2035

The latter gives much more leeway and cap growth to keep the core together.

And once again, Hughes didn't burn a year on Hutson only to sign him to 6 years. He could bolt at the end of the contract. Hughes will be pushing for 8 years and will offer the proper pay to match it.

 

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[themilosh]

The problem with signing him 6 years is that if you plan to re-sign the core players, Hutson's next contract will come too close to the other contracts and we might not have enough cap growth to sign everyone, effectively ending the gravy years of having the entire core, just like what happened to Chicago.

If we sign both Hutson and Demi to 6 years:

Suzuki 2030
Guhle 2031
Caufield 2031
Hutson 2032
Slaf 2033
Demidov 2033

if we sign both 8 years:

Suzuki 2030
Guhle 2031
Caufield 2031
Slaf 2033
Hutson 2034
Demidov 2035

The latter gives much more leeway and cap growth to keep the core together.

And once again, Hughes didn't burn a year on Hutson only to sign him to 6 years. He could bolt at the end of the contract. Hughes will be pushing for 8 years and will offer the proper pay to match it.

Thank God hugo is at the healm.. having to explain this to posters and Bergy himself always falls on deaf ears. The minute Cap management became a thing, the concept of having ex-players (especially ones with a high school education) as GMs has been an unmitigated disaster. It only took the CH 20 years to FINALLY figure this out.

 

[LaP]

It's very important to teach Hudson how to be a good person. We have to force him to sign a bridge contract that is not more thasn 5% of the cap. If he doesn't want to sign a bridge and show rispeck to the pants wearer we must force him to miss the camp and then buy the media to convince the fans into thinking that it's a great plan and he must be a better person with better kirktr. Everyone must be on born Hulson must become a good person with rispek and kikitr. /s

Luckily we have a better management this time around.

 

[themilosh]

Lane will not sign for an AAV under Suzukis contract, and thats fine.

Watch.. he will.. this core are all in to winning the Cup, and much like Crosby always taking less the only way to win is to have Cap space to work with.

Bc the Cap is going up, I "could" see maybe 9$M x 8yrs.. basically the difference btw 64million or 72million over 8 important years of your life to make life much easier? Neglible.

 

[yianik]

Thank God hugo is at the healm.. having to explain this to posters and Bergy himself always falls on deaf ears. The minute Cap management became a thing, the concept of having ex-players (especially ones with a high school education) as GMs has been an unmitigated disaster. It only took the CH 20 years to FINALLY figure this out.

Not to mention getting potentially jammed up by a team offersheeting a player of ours if we have more than one high value UFA to sign.

And Im thinking young Hutson is never going to be more keen on signing an 8 year deal than after this season, its been a heck of a year for him and the team. And the Bell Centre / Montreal , for a playoff game, most of these boys have no idea whats coming. They are going to be shook to the core.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Watch.. he will.. this core are all in to winning the Cup, and much like Crosby always taking less the only way to win is to have Cap space to work with.

Bc the Cap is going up, I "could" see maybe 9$M x 8yrs.. basically the difference btw 64million or 72million over 8 important years of your life to make life much easier? Neglible.

Suzuki signed for 9.55% of the cap after two very good playoffs and a 41 point career best in 56 games (pace of 60 over 82)

The cap is expected to rise to 95.5 mill for next year, so that same percentage would be 9 million per year for Hutson. But at the time Suzuki was essentially a second line center behind Danault. While Hutson is arguably our best player already.

I'd love to see it but I'm not going to get excited over it.

 

[LaP]

6 years gives you 4 years of Cup window that 2nd NHL contract, IMO. That's a good stretch seeing what he actually brings to the table in the playoffs before extending him to his biggest contract at full term.

The extension after then 6-year contract as a 2nd NHL contract comes with at least 6 years of full value, IMO, and a risk of a drop in production in the final two years, rather than being a bad contract with four good years and four not so good years handed out to a 30-year old.

The team still being near its best after 6 years for a 2nd NHL contract also increases the odds of seeing Hutson sign a maximum term contract at a more reasonable Cap hit as a final big NHL contract, IMO.

Ideally we don't want to have to resign multiple important contracts the same year. It's the kiss of death to have to resign many of them the same summer.

Suzuki ends in 2030
Caufield and Guhle in 2031
Slaf in 2033

We should aim at Hutson's contract to end in either 2032 or 2034 which means 6 years or 8 years. 6 years would be fine it would slot him in between Caufield and Slaf. We must avoid 2031 as much as possible so not 5 years.

 

[ahmedou]

 

[Laboeuf]

$9 mil per for next 8 years

 

[JeffreyLFC]

I've heard his agent want a bridge deal and that might work for the Habs. Getting him for lower AAV but at the risk of having to pay him WAY more in 5 years.

Where you heard that? I have yet seen agent wanting bridge deal unless his player does not want to commit long term...

 

[Deas]

Watch.. he will.. this core are all in to winning the Cup, and much like Crosby always taking less the only way to win is to have Cap space to work with.

Bc the Cap is going up, I "could" see maybe 9$M x 8yrs.. basically the difference btw 64million or 72million over 8 important years of your life to make life much easier? Neglible.

You are oversimplifying and ignoring factors such as management and agent interests. Also the ”you live as well with x million as with y” million while true is your personal opinion and irrelevant in a market/business context.

It would be very, very strange if Hutson doesn’t get more than Suzuki.

 

[Kojo]

Where you heard that? I have yet seen agent wanting bridge deal unless his player does not want to commit long term...

You think they don't want to hit the jackpot once he reach 100 pts in a season?

Subban got a bridge deal and he wasn't even as good as Hutson.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

You think they don't want to hit the jackpot once he reach 100 pts in a season?

Subban did that and he wasn't even as good as Hutson.

No, I do not think I would risk this as his agent. Injury is still a possibility and uncertainty. Not to mention other financial advises like money now is better than money later.
Subban did not want the bridge deal, the club (Bergevin) forced him to do that. Subban wanted a long term deal.

Define jackpot, let's say he can get 10M x 8 years now. How much more money would you want 2 years later that would be considered 'jackpot'?

 

[Kojo]

No, I do not think I would risk this as his agent. Injury is still a possibility and uncertainty.

That's why you're not his agent. Hutson will not be injured stop entertaining the thought.

Other players are more at risk. Have you seen Lane Hutson play?

 

[Naslundforever]

That's why you're not his agent. Hutson will not be injured stop entertaining the thought.

Other players are more at risk. Have you seen Lane Hutson play?

Agents use crystal balls, or time machines?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

That's why you're not his agent. Hutson will not be injured stop entertaining the thought.

Other players are more at risk. Have you seen Lane Hutson play?

You've avoided the question twice. Where have you heard this? Or did you just make it up because it fits what you believe will happen?

Hughes burned a year on Hutson's ELC and that is ALL to Hutson's benefit because he can cash-in sooner. Hughes is certainly wanting to sign him long term, having burned a year. It would be mighty selfish of Hutson to not follow-up on this gift.

Are you even aware Hutson's agent is an ex-collegue of Hughes's, working for the agency Hughes co-founded?

To top it off, a 5 year deal would put the Habs in a bind, pitting Hutson's second renewal in the same two years where we already have to re-sign Suzuki, Caufield and Guhle. Makes zero sense from Habs perspective, meaning Hughes will be definitely be pushing for more years to give him leeway with more cap growth to re-sign all his core players.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Feels like HuGo will go the Suzuki/Caufield/Slaf/Guhle route again and make him a full on long term contract offer right away. I could see them throw a 8 x 8 at his agent right off the bat this summer, just to see if he bites.

 

[Kojo]

You've avoided the question twice. Where have you heard this? Or did you just make it up because it fits what you believe will happen?

Hughes burned a year on Hutson's ELC and that is ALL to Hutson's benefit because he can cash-in sooner. Hughes is certainly wanting to sign him long term, having burned a year. It would be mighty selfish of Hutson to not follow-up on this gift.

Are you even aware Hutson's agent is an ex-collegue of Hughes's, working for the agency Hughes co-founded?

To top it off, a 5 year deal would put the Habs in a bind, pitting Hutson's second renewal in the same two years where we already have to re-sign Suzuki, Caufield and Guhle. Makes zero sense from Habs perspective, meaning Hughes will be definitely be pushing for more years to give him leeway with more cap growth to re-sign all his core players.

Why are you so upset about this? Give the man his money. Why are people thinking like you?

He has all of the leverage. Why would he sign for less than he is worth?

I've been saying it for almost 3 years, Hutson is going to be a top player in the NHL.

If they want to sign him for 8 years it's going to be 10M AAV, or more.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

That's why you're not his agent. Hutson will not be injured stop entertaining the thought.

Other players are more at risk. Have you seen Lane Hutson play?

I am not entertaining the thought, injuries is possible for anybody sometime not even on the ice (see Heineman)

Yes injury is a risk and why I brought that up is because it has happened to athletes scheduled to make big payday in the offseason, get injuries and never get the money they wanted.

Refusing a long term deal send 2 messages to the club. 1) you are not 100% convinced about staying because of the direction of the club or other factors.
2) you feel the offers are incredibly low and he deserves more than what is offered.

In the case of Hutson, him requesting a short term deal would be a good indicator of #1.

You said he could ask for a payday? Like give me an example of a current defender that got a huge payday as a free agent as a defender? The highest paid defender currently is Dahlin at 11M. How much more could Hutson realistically ask?

 

[Kojo]

I am not entertaining the thought, injuries is possible for anybody sometime not even on the ice (see Heineman)

Have you seen Lane Hutson play? Obviously not.

Oh wow, yes you're right injuries are indeed possible.

Have you seen him play?

Every NHL player is at risk of injuries. But you obviously don't know how Lane Hutson operate.

Also, wtf has Heineman got to do with this? Do not reply. pls.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Have you seen Lane Hutson play? Obviously not.

Oh wow, yes you're right injuries are indeed possible.

Have you seen him play?

Every NHL player is at risk of injuries. But you obviously don't know how Lane Hutson operate.

Also, wtf has Heineman got to do with this? Do not reply. pls.

Injuries can happen to ANYONE! This is not super hero movie with a player with super power.

No I have not watched him, I just comment on every single Hutson thread because I love wasting my time on the internet!

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Why are you so upset about this? Give the man his money. Why are people thinking like you?

He has all of the leverage. Why would he sign for less than he is worth?

I've been saying it for almost 3 years, Hutson is going to be a top player in the NHL.

If they want to sign him for 8 years it's going to be 10M AAV, or more.

You still haven't given an answer. You know it's prohibited from spreading false rumors on the board?

I'm not upset. I just can see through your game. And no, Hutson doesn't have all the leverage. He's a RFA. The word restricted is in that acronym. The word restricted as a meaning and implications. You've litterally avoided all my arguments.

Sign less than he's worth? So on top of spreading false rumors, you use lame strawman arguments. Signing him for 10 mil per over 8 years isn't cheap, and as a RFA, that's right in his range.

 

[Redux91]

I've heard his agent want a bridge deal and that might work for the Habs. Getting him for lower AAV but at the risk of having to pay him WAY more in 5 years.

Lol, you heard eh?... or you think and hope..?