OT: Hurricanes Lounge XLV: Y2K Twenty-Four Years Later

Blueline Bomber

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Turns out, dropping your pants and taking a shit on the largest voting block in the country (straight whites) by consistently telling them that they're the root cause of all problems in the country is a great way to guarantee yourself a loss in every election.

Except that’s not what lost them the election. Straight whites are always going to lean one way, and that’s to be expected. The loss came because they assumed the Latino vote would go their way due to the “mass deportation” stance of the other party. But as they should have known, no one cares if it happens to “the other guy”, and the concept of a slippery slope is apparently lost to more than half the country.

Oh, and people in general simply don’t pay attention:

 

Svechhammer

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Except that’s not what lost them the election. Straight whites are always going to lean one way, and that’s to be expected. The loss came because they assumed the Latino vote would go their way due to the “mass deportation” stance of the other party. But as they should have known, no one cares if it happens to “the other guy”, and the concept of a slippery slope is apparently lost to more than half the country.

Oh, and people in general simply don’t pay attention:

Yeah, identity politics just doesn't resonate at all with the US population. And the incessant hammering of it by the Democratic party probably cost them control of government for the next generation, if not more.

And I'm already seeing people blaming voters for being misogynistic on why Trump won. No ability to reflect on why they lost, and why they keep losing. Nope, has to be the issue is with the people and not the party. And that is why they lose
 

Blueline Bomber

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Yeah, identity politics just doesn't resonate at all with the US population. And the incessant hammering of it by the Democratic party probably cost them control of government for the next generation, if not more.

And I'm already seeing people blaming voters for being misogynistic on why Trump won. No ability to reflect on why they lost, and why they keep losing. Nope, has to be the issue is with the people and not the party. And that is why they lose

Honestly, looking deeper into it, it may just come down to the economy. Voters are always going to vote with their wallet, and inflation in 2022 happened with the Democrats in office, so the average voter believes they’re to blame. Which has been the Republican strategy regarding the economy for so long. Lower taxes, creating massive debt, forcing the next administration to raise taxes to erase that debt, then blame them for raising taxes.

The “safe” blue states were astoundingly close, and I think the economy was the main reason for that. Like, no state hates Trump like New Yorkers hate Trump, and he got a 13 point swing in that state from 2020 to this past election.
 
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Boom Boom Apathy

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Looking at it unbiasedly, I just think she had trouble really connecting with many voters. Policies really don't matter much to many voters these days, it's more about how they connect with a candidate. We've become a soundbite society. Tweets are short messages. TikTok are short videos. Every news station takes the first few minutes and hits just the highlights of the day, we get text updates on game scores, news, etc..

Whether one agrees with his approach or not, Trump knows how to connect with his voters. He's a soundbite machine and it resonates with his voting base.

I suspect that the vast majority of Americans have no clue how tariffs really work and no clue about the complexity and challenges of bring jobs back to the US, but they are good soundbites that resonate with voters.
 

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Seems to me that turnout probably played a bigger role than anything else. Popular vote wise Biden won with 81M+ to Trump's 74M. As of right now Trump has 71M to Harris' 66M.
 
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Svechhammer

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Honestly, looking deeper into it, it may just come down to the economy. Voters are always going to vote with their wallet, and inflation in 2022 happened with the Democrats in office, so the average voter believes they’re to blame. Which has been the Republican strategy regarding the economy for so long. Lower taxes, creating massive debt, forcing the next administration to raise taxes to erase that debt, then blame them for raising taxes.

The “safe” blue states were astoundingly close, and I think the economy was the main reason for that. Like, no state hates Trump like New Yorkers hate Trump, and he got a 13 point swing in that state from 2020 to this past election.
Oh I do think there's a lot about the economy to it.

I keep reading about how strong it is, how many jobs that Biden has created and how unemployment is at such a low. And all I have to say about that after being unemployed myself for the last 7 months.... Bullshit. The economy is broken. If you lose your job right now, good f***ing luck getting another one. Its damn near impossible to get a call back, its damn near impossible to speak with anyone. And if you're above the age of 35, you're even more f***ed than you could possibly imagine. I applied to over 400 jobs, and from all of those applications, I maybe got a callback for a phone screening 20 times. Of those 20 I think I moved to an interview about 8 times and a final interview once. The job I ended up being offered, I didn't even apply to it, a recruiter reached out to me.

And I'm someone who spent 15 years in the industry and I'm only looking for a lateral move. Don't tell me that everything is the strongest its ever been when my own eyes can tell you its bullshit.

As for the unemployment numbers, of course the national numbers are low when there is no federal unemployment and basically every state in the country has slashed their unemployment benefits from where it used to be. When I was on unemployment in 2010, I was able to file to keep myself afloat and the benefits would allow me to collect for 26 weeks. This time around, coming off a job that payed over 3x what I was making back then, my eligibility was about half of what it was in 2010 and it was only good for 13 weeks. Of course unemployment numbers are going to look better when people drop from the register in half the time as it took before.
 
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Blueline Bomber

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Seems to me that turnout probably played a bigger role than anything else. Popular vote wise Biden won with 81M+ to Trump's 74M. As of right now Trump has 71M to Harris' 66M.
Also a likely reason.

How much of that was due to the pandemic though? Voter turnout was high then because everything was done by mail.

And then there are those that avoided voting due to the Palestine issue, though I still don't see how not voting changes that situation.
 

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Seems to me that turnout probably played a bigger role than anything else. Popular vote wise Biden won with 81M+ to Trump's 74M. As of right now Trump has 71M to Harris' 66M.

You say that he won for that and not because he is a misogynistic racist tax evader and that his voters evidently love him knowing him very well?
 

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