Huge clerical error from the Leafs

[Chet Manley]

They made the error, officials notified them of it

So "Insignificant clerical error from the Leafs". I kid, you can make the hypothetical huge if you want.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I don't think they put Alex's name? They just put the wrong number for Nylander.

Worst case they might have to press a 92 jersey for him.

They showed the lineup sheet on TV.
Had 92 AlexNylander starting game.

Under healthy scratches section , they had
88 William Nylander.

 

[banks]

This is the kind of thing that happens more often than you'd think. You just almost never hear about it. The lineup card isn't some sacred thing that could hold a player out of a game.

In fact, Jacques Demers (former SC winning head coach and GM) famously admitted after his retirement that he was and is illiterate. And I seem to recall him telling stories of getting the lineup card wrong all the time. He'd have to hide his secret, telling people that he forgot his glasses. At no point was there ever a suggestion that the team would be in trouble for the minor errors. No one batted an eye at lineup card errors.

 

[NyQuil]

Officials notifying the leafs about it and allowing them to change it seems a bit sketch, no ?

I don't mind it.

You don't want to see a star player on the shelf for an elimination game because of an administrative error.

Sometimes you have to apply the spirit of the law as opposed to the letter of the law.

Hockey is entertainment.

 

[Oilslick941611]

They just talked about it on the panel. Video coach, assistant coach and head coach all missed it. It was the officials that notified the Leafs.

The officials shouldn't be allowed to interfere like that. If a team makes an honest mistake like this, they should let it go and suffer the consequences of it.

 

[Oilslick941611]

I don't mind it.

You don't want to see a star player on the shelf for an elimination game because of an administrative error.

Sometimes you have to apply the spirit of the law as opposed to the letter of the law.

Hockey is entertainment.

yes you do. Its an organization responsibility thing. Coaches have a responsibility that includes line up cards and their mistakes should be no different than the players if they make it.

 

[NyQuil]

yes you do.

Uh, no I don't.

It's an obvious error that was thankfully cleared up before game time.

I want to see which team is better on the ice, not which coaching staff fills out forms better.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Uh, no I don't.

It's an obvious error that was thankfully cleared up before game time.

I want to see which team is better on the ice, not which coaching staff fills out forms better.

listen man, i know what you want better than you.


Seriously though, i disagree. We can move on though.

 

[Bubbles]

This is the kind of thing that happens more often than you'd think. You just almost never hear about it. The lineup card isn't some sacred thing that could hold a player out of a game.

In fact, Jacques Demers (former SC winning head coach and GM) famously admitted after his retirement that he was and is illiterate. And I seem to recall him telling stories of getting the lineup card wrong all the time. He'd have to hide his secret, telling people that he forgot his glasses. At no point was there ever a suggestion that the team would be in trouble for the minor errors. No one batted an eye at lineup card errors.

Uh yes, it is, and it's happened many times, most famously to Pat Quinn in the playoffs:



Bruce Boudreau did this in 2020 when he put Donato's name on the lineup card instead of Greg Pateryn. In this case the officials forced Pateryn off the ice. I still don't understand why the officials let the Leafs off in this one.

Boudreau's lineup card mistake forces Wild to play with only 5 defensemen

 

[Bubbles]

The officials shouldn't be allowed to interfere like that. If a team makes an honest mistake like this, they should let it go and suffer the consequences of it.

This is the first time I've heard the officials help the team. In these cases, 100% of the time, the other team waits until the game is officially started, then let the officials know so they can kick that ineligible guy off the ice. When Gretzky was coach, the opposing coach (forgot who) was going to wait until that guy was on the scoresheet at which he can ask that goal to be nullified.

 

[landy]

Is that true he'd be forced to sit out or simply a penalty like when the starting lineup is wrong or whatever. I cant imagine someone wouldnt be like ok guys ,some common sense here, we didnt mean to scratch 87 or 97.

 

[notbias]

Uh yes, it is, and it's happened many times, most famously to Pat Quinn in the playoffs:



Bruce Boudreau did this in 2020 when he put Donato's name on the lineup card instead of Greg Pateryn. In this case the officials forced Pateryn off the ice. I still don't understand why the officials let the Leafs off in this one.

Boudreau's lineup card mistake forces Wild to play with only 5 defensemen

Has there ever been a scenario where the player who was on the lineup card didn't skate in warmup and the healthy scratch did?

Genuine question, because if not, then this would obviously be very different and the refs may have notified these teams in that scenario.

Also, the scale of this screw up is very obvious where the other examples are not, so it may not be obvious to officials.

 

[Bubbles]

Has there ever been a scenario where the player who was on the lineup card didn't skate in warmup and the healthy scratch did?

Genuine question, because if not, then this would obviously be very different and the refs may have notified these teams in that scenario.

Also, the scale of this screw up is very obvious where the other examples are not, so it may not be obvious to officials.

I'm not sure about that, but the healthy scratch doesn't usually skate warmups, unless there's an injury during the warmup and he gets scratched right away.

A lot of these cases it's the coach that put the wrong name down.

 

[Divine]

I don't mind it.

You don't want to see a star player on the shelf for an elimination game because of an administrative error.

Sometimes you have to apply the spirit of the law as opposed to the letter of the law.

Hockey is entertainment.

Ironically though, as Friedman pointed on the broadcast, the letter of the law is for the officials to notify the Leafs.

Rule 5.1 - Eligible Players
...
Prior to the game, if an official (on-ice or off-ice) notices that a player is in uniform but has not been included on the submitted lineup, the Referee shall bring this to the attention of the offending team so that the necessary correction can be made to the Official Game Report with no penalty assessed.

Some people are mad at the officials for not breaking the rules in their favour.

 

[NyQuil]

Ironically though, as Friedman pointed on the broadcast, the letter of the law is for the officials to notify the Leafs.

Some people are mad at the officials for not breaking the rules in their favour.

However it gets resolved so that the best players are on the ice.

 

[Canadienna]

I'm not mad at the officials and I would have wanted them to do the same for my team. But it's easy to make the case they wouldn't have won without Nylander.

If that mistake goes through and they lose the game it's an all time HFBash thread. Too bad

 

[NyQuil]

I'm not mad at the officials and I would have wanted them to do the same for my team. But it's easy to make the case they wouldn't have won without Nylander.

If that mistake goes through and they lose the game it's an all time HFBash thread. Too bad

For the same reason why I don't like to see guys injured on other teams, you want to see how your team measures up against the opposing team at full strength.

At least I do.

Plus, it gets rid of some of the excuses if you do end up winning. Obviously it didn't happen in this case.

 

[The Shadow]

This is explained by Friedman here at 12:00 mins in. Apparently it was an automated system and because the Marlies were called up and Alex Nylander alphabetically comes before William it was an easy error to make. Considering the Marlies were just called up this week. Probably didn’t even expect something like that could happen.

 

[Captain97]

I think what the officials did was thr right thing the only reason I'm upset is it would have been really funny if it had gone through.

 

[RogerRoger]

I think what the officials did was thr right thing the only reason I'm upset is it would have been really funny if it had gone through.

Imagine if the Leafs lose, the media drama would have been amazing.
Although, I do not wish ill on Steve Dangle and that might have been bad for his heart.