How would YOU tackle this early season slump?

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I didn't hate the decision to keep Dubas going into the offseason--patience and loyalty are underrated. But the Murray acquisition was so odd and this start has been so discouraging. This team should be on an absolute mission to rewrite their legacy, but it's just more of the same complacency on display so far.
 
Ordinarily a gm gets to fire the coach when things aren’t going well.
They don’t get to fire 2 coaches.
They get fired themselves first.
 
I didn't hate the decision to keep Dubas going into the offseason--patience and loyalty are underrated. But the Murray acquisition was so odd and this start has been so discouraging. This team should be on an absolute mission to rewrite their legacy, but it's just more of the same complacency on display so far.

Dubas seemed back into a corner and he went out and made some long bets with Murray. It's almost incredible that he swung so wildly at that but somehow Samsonov fell into our laps. I just think of the $4 million + that could have gone into some additional platoon goalie and whatever other stuff in the dumpster dive that could have given the team some different tools.

In terms of how to fix it. I take my time time. If I'm an incoming president I just let the team get to whatever level they get to and make my decisions from there. If this is a take a step back year, so be it, but make good preparations to take a couple steps forward next year, and get critical contracts signed. Can't keep making crazy bets chasing after the Dubas vision if it's not going to go anywhere.
 
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It's up to the players as far as i'm concerned. There are no adjustments, no solutions in the press box or minors, no alterations to the system that will override the lack of competitiveness the players willingly hit the ice with.
I think you'd have to make sweeping changes to the roster or find some psychological means of inspiring the level of commitment needed to maximize their potential.
I think one of the issues is that this team is full of "Haves and Have-Nots". The Haves are mad that the Have-Nots are not contributing as much as they could/should and the Have Nots are basically saying that the big earners need to justify their contracts. If your mad that your junk pile bottom of the roster is not good enough and doesn't score while making minimum wage...then I don't know what to tell you.

We expect these bottom of the rung players to be aggressive and hit and check and score, but we ignore they are making by far the least amount of money. Do they need to go through the wall so that AM and MM don't get asked the difficult questions after a playoff series loss in the 1st round again?

Think about how they must feel ...making minimum wage and then being blamed for the woes of the Rich 4....it doesn't make for too much team unity IMO.
 
Are we just talking slump, in which case it's the short term (hopefully). If we're talking team makeup, it's the longer term.

Short term I would break up the two main pairings. Matthews and Marner just to try to get them going, and Tavares and Nylander because they seem to be incompatible.

I'd keep JT on the PP as that is where he is most (solely?) effective, but give him wingers that match his speed and style at ES.

I'd try Nylander between Robertson and Marner (partly to separate Mitch and Austin).

I'd try Engvall on the PP, and insist that he use that big body to screen the goalie and keep at least one defenceman engaged.

Longer term, I'd try to get Trotz.

Long term I'm afraid there's not much we can do beyond shuffling deck chairs, until Tavares retires or re-signs for $1-2M a year after the 24-25 season. Matthews and Marner are hard to trade (even if you wanted to) because of their contracts. Nylander would be easier to trade, but to get equivalent value you would be taking on cap, which we can't do.
 
Trade Malgin... that should get everyone's attention and shake things up !!

In reality, ride it out to Nov 24. If it still looks like this, I move a major piece. While I appreciate Dubas' loyalty to his players, his ultimate loyalty should be with the franchise... it cannot be both.
 
If you want something to change, Dubas and Shanahan must go.
What’s the point of firing management if we’re just going to run the same team back with these players? Dubas and Shanny have built a team with a ton of talent but boxed themselves in ideologically on the big 4 and couldn’t get the recipe right.

I don’t actually blame them for sticking with the big 4 this long. I’m fine if they’re the ones to try and turn it around tbh. We could do a lot worse, and have for the last 20 years. I don’t need to go fishing for an Yzerman or Sakic. I’m fine with consistent management as a choice. They’ve tried everything else, I’d give them this too.
 
Maybe some perspective would help? What do these teams have in common?

  • 2021-22: Colorado - 4-5-1
  • 2020-21: Tampa Bay - 8-1-1
  • 2019-20: Tampa Bay - 5-3-2
  • 2018-19: St. Louis - 3-4-3
  • 2017-18: Washington - 4-5-1
No players being paid more than 9.54m AAV?
 
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Weirdly, despite some uhhh...interesting....choices over the offseason regarding defense and goaltending (and subsequent injury trouble), it doesn't appear to be the biggest problem right now. Samsonov has been a huge part of any success we've had so far.

The big four are struggling, Bunting is cold as ice. That should right itself...eventually.


I know a bottom six trade to try and shake things up seems like it won't move the needle, but hear me out:



How is David Kampf, who granted has been far, far more than I ever thought he would be when we signed him...how is he apparently our only good bottom six player?

Engvall has oozed mediocre all over the place, Kerfoot is chaos, Jarnkrok is...probably still finding his feet. Despite being fourth liners and not impact players, ZAR and NAK provide zero energy....which is sort of their entire job.

We need a spark. Simmonds and Clifford in the lineup provided that, but we need that with better players attached to it.

We don't necessarily need a fisticuffer, but players who hit, who grind, who are tough to play against and give energy to the rest of the group that sorely, DESPERATELY needs a wake up call.



Lock Kampf up, give Jarnkrok more time, make a couple trades, waive some of Engvall/ZAR/NAK/Malgin and bring Holmberg/Steeves back up. Something. Anything.

See what sticks. Cuz this ain't stickin'
 
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I think one of the issues is that this team is full of "Haves and Have-Nots". The Haves are mad that the Have-Nots are not contributing as much as they could/should and the Have Nots are basically saying that the big earners need to justify their contracts. If your mad that your junk pile bottom of the roster is not good enough and doesn't score while making minimum wage...then I don't know what to tell you.

We expect these bottom of the rung players to be aggressive and hit and check and score, but we ignore they are making by far the least amount of money. Do they need to go through the wall so that AM and MM don't get asked the difficult questions after a playoff series loss in the 1st round again?

Think about how they must feel ...making minimum wage and then being blamed for the woes of the Rich 4....it doesn't make for too much team unity IMO.
When the cap was introduced some of the visionaries foresaw the great divide between the rich and poor. Many scoffed at the notion believing somehow a reasonable balance would be the outcome. My thoughts were how uncomfortable such a work environment would be. Of course there will always be a sizable discrepancy between the stars and the grinders but once you pass grinder pay x10+ for the big guns things can get dicey. In our case you multiply any issues by 3.
I don't consider myself either greedy or petty but if i'm producing 20% of their offense while also doing the dirty work i want better than 10% of their pay. I'm also level headed enough to understand my plight would be a boon to most but i'm still a little pissed and looking to find an opportunity in a better balanced situation.
 
same as always: wait a month and a half for them to realize the season started
 
Leafs need to make a trade and shake things up. They should target, Nick Ritchie. He could be had for cheap I would imagine.
 
Maybe some perspective would help? What do these teams have in common?

  • 2021-22: Colorado - 4-5-1
  • 2020-21: Tampa Bay - 8-1-1
  • 2019-20: Tampa Bay - 5-3-2
  • 2018-19: St. Louis - 3-4-3
  • 2017-18: Washington - 4-5-1
Every season someone tries to draw parallels between the Leafs and past cup winners when they're struggling...and yet here we are, the only team in history to lose in the first round 6 years in a row.
 
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What’s the point of firing management if we’re just going to run the same team back with these players? Dubas and Shanny have built a team with a ton of talent but boxed themselves in ideologically on the big 4 and couldn’t get the recipe right.

I don’t actually blame them for sticking with the big 4 this long. I’m fine if they’re the ones to try and turn it around tbh. We could do a lot worse, and have for the last 20 years. I don’t need to go fishing for an Yzerman or Sakic. I’m fine with consistent management as a choice. They’ve tried everything else, I’d give them this too.
But by bringing in new management there would be no feelings of loyalty tied to any players. There is something wrong with this team, whether it‘s due to the players, coaches, management, or a combination of all three.
In my opinion, Dubas has built a flawed team, building from the offence in, rather than defence out. Yes, we have 2 very gifted offensive players, but you can’t use that much of your cap on offence, and not put what’s needed toward your defence (goalie(s) included). Matthews was going to get paid, but he bent Dubas over backwards by getting the amount and the term he got. And Marner should not have gotten what he got.
Also, Dubas has a thing for small, skilled players, which is fine, but you also need size and toughness, but with some skill too. Add in the fact that in a few short seasons we have gone from being one of the youngest teams, to one of the oldest, without having done anything in the playoffs (and let’s not forget the monumental collapse against the Habs two seasons ago).
Management have not wavered in their belief in this core. It’s time to bring in new management, people with no bias one way or the other, and see if it was the management, the core, or a combination of the two.
 
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Come on Dupas, you're our only hope.
 
As a G.M., I would be make a minor trade to send a message to the players. I would also let the rest of the NHL know that I would be open to hear offers for any core player on the team.

As a coach, I would be benching any player that makes any huge mistakes or appears to be dogging it and not putting in an honest effort on the ice.

Healthy scratches for ANY players that are not earning their keep. Yes, I would sit Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Taveras, Rielly, or any other regular on the team. Work hard or you can sit and think about working hard.

No more caudling of any players not willing to work hard every single shift. The crest on the front of the jersey is far more important than the name on the back of it!
 
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