How would you rank the top 5 most valuable assets in the NHL today?

[eviohh26]

Hes never in his zone to play defense. By far the most sheltered elite dman there is. He cant spell penalty kill.

playing 30 minutes is sheltered? Bahahaa

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Makar very easily. D men dont hit theirbpesk until 28-30. N usually maintain their prime a lot longer. Mcdavid is already on the down swing. Very easy to see.

I agree with the Makar part, at least. I think we undervalue having a 70+ point defender over a 100+ point offensive dude in general. 6 defenders vs 12 forwards, you reallly want that #1 stud. Boosts your chances so much, and I’d say is the diff between Mac and McD so far.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

You think he's "multiple tiers" ahead of a guy like Quinn Hughes? I don't want to ignite another debate on that topic, but Jesus Christ.

I don't mind doing that.

Hughes is better.

 

[TheLegend27]

Chris Pronger disagrees

I’m not saying I know better than Pronger, I definitely don’t, but Pronger’s memory of Hughes could be of the last three years, where Quinn definitely wasn’t better defensively than Makar. This is the first season where I feel like they’re close. Additionally, it’s hard to fathom that a smaller framed guy is actually that good defensively. Everyone expects an elite defensive D-Man to have the Zadorov build.

 

[landy]

playing 30 minutes is sheltered? Bahahaa

Again, dude puts up offensive numbers, but he does not PK and they actively keep him away from the D zone against other teams top lines and/or his own teams bottom lines. No other elite dman has that besides Bouchard.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I see Makar's name a lot.. but Quinn Hughes' makes over one-million less and both contracts expire at the same time

And he’s also better

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Heiskanen also belongs in the conversation here

No he doesn’t

 

[eviohh26]

Again, dude puts up offensive numbers, but he does not PK and they actively keep him away from the D zone against other teams top lines and/or his own teams bottom lines. No other elite dman has that besides Bouchard.

He doesn't play on PK. You are correct. Everything else you've said is false.

 

[vancityluongo]

he's not top-5 given that he's almost 31, but 5 years ago jaccob slavin should've been on these lists, and he's probably still in the top-10 (considering mcdavid is 29, mackinnon is turning 30). outrageous value at $6.3m, signed for 8 years starting this summer, and he has a style that should age well

hughes until re-signed probably shouldn't be on the list and neither should makar. but depending on what they go for, not sure either would be my top defenseman - once he signs an extension, i suspect jackson lacombe will be the next slavin.

one more season of mcdavid is hard to value. if it's an expansion team (with seattle rules), he's further down the list. if it's literally just adding to any random nhl team, he's in the top-5. matthews obviously has that impact too, but is three years enough time?

anyways, as of today i'd go mackinnon, draisaitl, m. tkachuk, stutzle, hellebyuck. combination of impact today, but team/cost control for the long term

celebrini/bedard are very, very valuable, but neither are good enough *today* that i'd pass up 5+ years of the guys mentioned for one or two seasons of them, respectively, just to have them demand an outrageous amount for their next contract, demand a trade, or regress/stall out in development.

 

[landy]

He doesn't play on PK. You are correct. Everything else you've said is false.

Make another thread and ill drop stats in. I dont want to hijack this one.

 

[Goose]

From a business POV, I think youre underestimating 8. I did a case study on Arod's Texas Rangers deal and our results were even if theyre the worst team in the league, it was a smart deal from a ROI POV for the team. Thats where McDavid in TOR or LA or NYC, Tkachuks together, or whoever in the right market can make the most sense.

Yeah, depending on the situation, these get moved around. Win-now teams don't care about age if they're after a rental, salary floor teams don't care about contract as much etc, rebuild teams want age.

I think the business side of things is way weaker in the NHL than MLB, NBA, or NFL though, it's just not a superstar league the same, but agreed for certain franchises and situations it is. That was part of the whole Tavares/TO thing. In general though, I think the marketability of the player is a much lower consideration in the NHL than other leagues.

 

[LOFIN]

Stats from the last two years. Separated by 4 months in age. One of them is locked up for 12.5 for one more year, one is locked up for 12.6 for 6 more years. Which is more valuable as an asset?

 

[LOFIN]

e. remove

 

[Three On Zero]

McDavid - Namesake / top producer
MacKinnon - Top producer
Makar - Top defenceman
Hughes - Top defenceman
Crosby - Face of the league, namesake
Celebrini - High ceiling rookie
Bedard - High ceiling rookie

(Not that order, just a list)

 

[JKG33]

Anyone who doesn't say McDavid needs to turn off their console and come back to real life.

There are certainly more than 5 assets more valuable than 1 year of McDavid. If he came with an extension that'd be different

 

[NikolaTesla]

True. A healthy season would goes a long way, but the AAV and PPG is there.

The problem is theres a G in PPG.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

Just figured I'd drop this in here for those who just blindly dick ride Makar, kind of a shame that people seriously just blindly will follow an opinion that may have been valid a few years ago but not anymore.

1. Celebrini
2. MacKinnon
3. Jack Hughes
4. Heiskanen
5. Matthew Tkachuk

 

[landy]

Just figured I'd drop this in here for those who just blindly dick ride Makar, kind of a shame that people seriously just blindly will follow an opinion that may have been valid a few years ago but not anymore.

1. Celebrini
2. MacKinnon
3. Jack Hughes
4. Heiskanen
5. Matthew Tkachuk

That is not wrong and he is great offensvely, but dude literally doesnt play pk, gets every O zone faceoff possible, doesnt play against other teams best, and does not get d zone starts unless Miller or Pettersson were out there helping him get out of the zone.

That is "sheltered". Go compare the type of minutes Makar or Werenski play. Even EK65 plays some actual defense.

 

[eviohh26]

That is not wrong and he is great offensvely, but dude literally doesnt play pk, gets every O zone faceoff possible, doesnt play against other teams best, and does not get d zone starts unless Miller or Pettersson were out there helping him get out of the zone.

That is "sheltered". Go compare the type of minutes Makar or Werenski play. Even EK65 plays some actual defense.

According to moneypuck. Makar gets 22% OZone starts. Hughes gets 15.9%. I'm not sure where you get this he doesn't play defense narrative from but its old. Playing 30minutes a night is far from sheltered.

 

[eviohh26]

Stats from the last two years. Separated by 4 months in age. One of them is locked up for 12.5 for one more year, one is locked up for 12.6 for 6 more years. Which is more valuable as an asset?
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McDavid is. Have we all forgotten what he did in the playoffs last year? I'm a huge Oilers hater too .

 

[Gains]

I’m taking Gavin McKenna #1, then McDavid/Makar.

 

[nammerus]

According to moneypuck. Makar gets 22% OZone starts. Hughes gets 15.9%. I'm not sure where you get this he doesn't play defense narrative from but its old. Playing 30minutes a night is far from sheltered.

There’s plenty of evidence shown before that Hughes is very sheltered compared to other #1’s. But all Canucks fans ignore it.

Like above. You understand that on the same site, it shows Hughes has a 8% defensive zone start, which is ranked FOURTH on his own team (160th league wide). Thats as sheltered as it gets. But Canuck’s fans still believe he’s an all situations dman.

 

[Regal]

That is not wrong and he is great offensvely, but dude literally doesnt play pk, gets every O zone faceoff possible, doesnt play against other teams best, and does not get d zone starts unless Miller or Pettersson were out there helping him get out of the zone.

That is "sheltered". Go compare the type of minutes Makar or Werenski play. Even EK65 plays some actual defense.

This is f***ing hilariously stupid. It’s clear Avs fans have just clung to random “facts” that they’ve heard that aren’t even true. He starts more in the defensive zone without them than with but that idiot BenFranklin doesn’t know how to read data but loves to spew it

 

[landy]

According to moneypuck. Makar gets 22% OZone starts. Hughes gets 15.9%. I'm not sure where you get this he doesn't play defense narrative from but its old. Playing 30minutes a night is far from sheltered.

Stop making up numbers. His average TOI is 25:30and O start% 65.73%. Youre still skipping over the lack of PK, quality of competition, and offensive linemates when he does take D zone starts.

 

[landy]

This is f***ing hilariously stupid

You spelled accurate wrong.