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How would you rank the top 5 most valuable assets in the NHL today?

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1. Ability
2. Contract
3. Age
4. System/needs fit
5. Injury proneness
6. Clutch/playoff history
7. Culture fit
8. Fan appeal/marketability
 
Ekiru said:
I see Makar's name a lot.. but Quinn Hughes' makes over one-million less and both contracts expire at the same time
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One plays actual defense and one doesnt.
ManofSteel55 said:
I'm going to disagree completely with almost everything you have said here. You put aside cap value when talking about elite players, and there are less than 10 players in the league that I would consider elite. Every one of those players is more valuable to have than even the best value contract for a player in the lower tiers. Cap and term come into play when comparing players one to one, or when talking about lesser players.

I think where we disagree, is that you are talking trade value, like, how to quantify the trade value of players in a fantasy trade scenario. But every elite player in the league, in that scenario, falls under "priceless". There is no realistic value for McDavid, McKinnon, Draisaitl, Kucherov, Matthews, Crosby, Makar, Q. Hughes, etc, as there is no realistic scenario in which those players are available for trade. People will talk about ELC players being more valuable based on term and cap hit, but if you think Celebrini, as good and valuable as he is to a team like the Sharks, would be enough in trade for Connor McDavid, you are fooling yourself. Or if you think the Sharks would pass on a trade of Celebrini for McDavid, even knowing they are looking at 8years X 16M+ in salary for the end of McDavid's career, I also think you are fooling yourself.
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You're not wrong, but also no fun in just saying "priceless" and "no way he would be traded" so put an unrealistic ask on him.

Rantanen was the closest well probably see so can use that as a template for value.

When it comes tho the elite of elite, Im with you on cap doesnt matter, but term 100% does or else you're the Hurricanes. MacKinnon today >>>>> McDavid...until McDavid signs with whoever for 8 years, then we can argue left and right.

SPF6ty9 said:
Anyone who doesn't say McDavid needs to turn off their console and come back to real life.
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McDavid locked up for 8 years >>>>>>>>>> McDaivd who might leave you for UFA after next season.
 
Goose said:
1. Ability
2. Contract
3. Age
4. System/needs fit
5. Injury proneness
6. Clutch/playoff history
7. Culture fit
8. Fan appeal/marketability
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From a business POV, I think youre underestimating 8. I did a case study on Arod's Texas Rangers deal and our results were even if theyre the worst team in the league, it was a smart deal from a ROI POV for the team. Thats where McDavid in TOR or LA or NYC, Tkachuks together, or whoever in the right market can make the most sense.
 
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landy said:
One plays actual defense and one doesnt.

You're not wrong, but also no fun in just saying "priceless" and "no way he would be traded" so put an unrealistic ask on him.

Rantanen was the closest well probably see so can use that as a template for value.

When it comes tho the elite of elite, Im with you on cap doesnt matter, but term 100% does or else you're the Hurricanes. MacKinnon today >>>>> McDavid...until McDavid signs with whoever for 8 years, then we can argue left and right.


McDavid locked up for 8 years >>>>>>>>>> McDaivd who might leave you for UFA after next season.
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I would argue that for the team who has him, McDavid is still more valuable than any other player in the league, until he says no to a contract extension.
 
SPF6ty9 said:
Anyone who doesn't say McDavid needs to turn off their console and come back to real life.
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Anyone who doesn't say Makar needs to turn off their console and come back to real life.
A generational D-man vs a generational C. I take the D-man every single time. 28-29 min vs 22-23 min.
Makar is younger as well.

Everyone should have Makar and McDavid as 1 and 2.
 
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Tier 1 is the best players (everybody knows them)

Tier 2 is young players on their first contracts and great value steals

Tier 3 is good players on bad contracts or great players with issues (contract/consistency/playoff performance)
 
Most valuable asset in the NHL is an owner who understands that success engenders profit, and is willing to take a short-term loss to ensure that long-term gain. So, Bill Foley's probably the #1 asset in the NHL.
 
ManofSteel55 said:
I would argue that for the team who has him, McDavid is still more valuable than any other player in the league, until he says no to a contract extension.
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So value changes potentially dramatically under each circumstance:

1. McDavid with 1 year remaining until UFA. Unknown if he will re-sign.
2. McDavid with 1 year remaining until UFA. Will not re-sign.
3. McDavid locked up for 8 years. Sign and trade but McDavid picks location.
4. McDavid locked up for 8 years, but publicly asks for a trade.
- NTC/NMC in effect limiting potential teams.
 
landy said:
So value changes potentially dramatically under each circumstance:

1. McDavid with 1 year remaining until UFA. Unknown if he will re-sign.
2. McDavid with 1 year remaining until UFA. Will not re-sign.
3. McDavid locked up for 8 years. Sign and trade but McDavid picks location.
4. McDavid locked up for 8 years, but publicly asks for a trade.
- NTC/NMC in effect limiting potential teams.
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Value is set by the ones who own his rights though. So until they know he won't re-sign, his value is "priceless". The rest, right now, are hypotheticals. As an Oiler fan, I don't want to find out what his value would be in scenarios 2 - 4, but it sure would be interesting to know. His value would drop hard of course, as it does any time a player wants out. It would be tricky finding a deal, that's for sure.
 
If the jets could pick up one player right now it might be Celebrini for me. I've never seen an 18 year old play a 2 way game like that before. This kid is the next Federov.
 
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Panthers actually have a few of theese

'Barkov - 2xSelke 1C @ 10M until 2030
Lundell - 2-way C, who will fíll the 2C spot until 2030 @ 5M
Forsling - 1-2D @ 5,75M until 2032
 
ManofSteel55 said:
Value is set by the ones who own his rights though. So until they know he won't re-sign, his value is "priceless". The rest, right now, are hypotheticals. As an Oiler fan, I don't want to find out what his value would be in scenarios 2 - 4, but it sure would be interesting to know. His value would drop hard of course, as it does any time a player wants out. It would be tricky finding a deal, that's for sure.
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Im nervous for you with McDavid. Im using Rantanen as the example. Hypothetically lets say McDavid is in the same spot next year. The Oilers decide to move on, but still a contending team so need a high end roster player (Necas) coming back in additions to other pieces. The only hiccup is McDavid's NMC so then it is something in between the COL-CAR (w CHI's help) and the CAR-DAL deal depending on extension or not, but limited to the x teams McDavid ok's.

COL - Necas-Drury-2nd-4th
CHI - Retain 50% and 3rd
CAR - Rantanen with no extension-Hall

DAL - Rantanen with extension
CAR - Stankoven, 2026 1st (top 10 prot), 2028 1st, two 3rds

McDavid is obviously more valuable than Rantanen so upgrade everything above, but the longer he goes un-signed, the more likely we start talking about this.

Ill give it my bestish effort.

EDM - Eichel, Toffoli, 1st
SJ - Dorofeyev, 2nd (Retain on Taffoli and McDavid whatever % to make it work)
VGK - McDavid

Extensions in place for both McDavid (8x$17M) and Eichel (8x$14M). Eichel (and Toffoli) waiving his NMC is the other probably wont happen scenario, but I typed this all and im done.
 
landy said:
Im nervous for you with McDavid. Im using Rantanen as the example. Hypothetically lets say McDavid is in the same spot next year. The Oilers decide to move on, but still a contending team so need a high end roster player (Necas) coming back in additions to other pieces. The only hiccup is McDavid's NMC so then it is something in between the COL-CAR (w CHI's help) and the CAR-DAL deal depending on extension or not, but limited to the x teams McDavid ok's.

COL - Necas-Drury-2nd-4th
CHI - Retain 50% and 3rd
CAR - Rantanen with no extension-Hall

DAL - Rantanen with extension
CAR - Stankoven, 2026 1st (top 10 prot), 2028 1st, two 3rds

McDavid is obviously more valuable than Rantanen so upgrade everything above, but the longer he goes un-signed, the more likely we start talking about this.

Ill give it my bestish effort.

EDM - Eichel, Toffoli, 1st
SJ - Dorofeyev, 2nd (Retain on Taffoli and McDavid whatever % to make it work)
VGK - McDavid

Extensions in place for both McDavid (8x$17M) and Eichel (8x$14M). Eichel (and Toffoli) waiving his NMC is the other probably wont happen scenario, but I typed this all and im done.
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McDavid to Vegas - you just made me throw up in my mouth a little.
 
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landy said:
Yes I do. Quinn is close offensively, but not in the same stratosphere defensively. There are multiple dmen I would take over Quinn for a complete game playing some actual defense. Quinn is more i nthe Bouchard tier for me being a hybrid PP QB, offensive FO only whenever possible guy.

True. A healthy season would goes a long way, but the AAV and PPG is there.
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How many Canucks games do you all think this guy has watched in the last couple years?

(I'll give you a hint: the answer is zero)
 
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