How would you grade the Habs drafting from 2017-2021 ?

[Habs Halifax]

Im clearly talking about Poehling.
If a 30 point center who can play great defense isnt a 3rd liner. I honestly don't know what is.
He would be a 3rd line center on 90% of the league. Off the top of my head, i can only think of Florida and maybe LA where he wouldn't be a 3C.
Not sure why you dont like the player. Not many flaws.


In my opinion, Romanov is worth more, and will continue to be a better player than Dach.
I take a #3 Dman who can hit and play physical over a low end 2C 1 dimensional player. I think its a bad trade, nobody used the hyperbole of lopsided. At the end of the day your love for Dach comes from faith, hopefully it works out for us. I dont, which is why i see it as a bad trade. I think he tops off as a Michael Rasmuessen

Poehling is a depth player in my books. He's on a team with poor depth bud. This is not worth a massive debate or some disingenuous narrative.

Difference between Romanov and Dach is miniscule. The real evaluation will come when they are both in their prime which is very close. No way you can justify any "bad trade" narratives at this point in time.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Poehling is a depth player in my books.

Difference between Romanov and Dach is miniscule. The real evaluation will come when they are both in their prime which is very close

I mean the difference is that Romanov would currently be our third pairing LD and Dach is our 2C who has been playing very well since Christmas.

Saying it's a bad trade is just stupid. We traded a strength for a weakness and if not for an unfortunate injury, we'd have no one casting any doubt on the trade at all.

 

[Sorinth]

The drafting those years were saved by Bergevin getting fired. Without Hughes' focus on development not sure we'd get much of anything from those drafts.

 

[Theodore450]

Poehling is a depth player in my books. He's on a team with poor depth bud. This is not worth a massive debate or some disingenuous narrative.

Difference between Romanov and Dach is miniscule. The real evaluation will come when they are both in their prime which is very close. No way you can justify any "bad trade" narratives at this point in time.

Like I said Peohls would be the 3rd line center on almost every single team in the NHL. He’s realistically a better player than Dach rn. Dach is spoon fed minutes because we ourselves at a bad depth team. If you call him a depth player then so is Dach. Which he’s not but you have an agenda to sell.
If you can’t admit, idk what to tell you bud.

As for Dach and Romanov. It is minuscule. And I would have done the trade if I was Hughes position as well. But I don’t thinks it’s a good trade which has me leaning to bad trade. Dach will be replaced when we are ready to contend while Romanov would’ve been an asset to a cup run.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Like I said Peohls would be the 3rd line center on almost every single team in the NHL. He’s realistically a better player than Dach rn. Dach is spoon fed minutes because we ourselves at a bad depth team. If you call him a depth player then so is Dach. Which he’s not but you have an agenda to sell.
If you can’t admit, idk what to tell you bud.

As for Dach and Romanov. It is minuscule. And I would have done the trade if I was Hughes position as well. But I don’t thinks it’s a good trade which has me leaning to bad trade. Dach will be replaced when we are ready to contend while Romanov would’ve been an asset to a cup run.

Like I said, not worth carrying this forward any more. Sure, go on and argue the difference between a depth player and a 3C. Most bottom 6 players are depth players BTW

 

[Theodore450]

I mean the difference is that Romanov would currently be our third pairing LD and Dach is our 2C who has been playing very well since Christmas.

Saying it's a bad trade is just stupid. We traded a strength for a weakness and if not for an unfortunate injury, we'd have no one casting any doubt on the trade at all.

Dach is the same player Chicago traded. I don’t think the injury made his shot any worse or his iq any worse. He’s a perimeter Center that is not a threat to score. I’m not arguing with the logic behind the trade. It was sound at the time.
And as much as we hate to hear it. An injury changing a player doesn’t justify the belief that they will return to form( again I don’t see that as the excuse for him)

When D rose got injured and was never the same, then you can’t say it’s the same player.


“very well” is crazy, he’s been passable. Romanov would’ve made out D stronger and maybe we don’t need Carrier (doubtful)

 

[WeThreeKings]

Dach is the same player Chicago traded. I don’t think the injury made his shot any worse or his iq any worse. He’s a perimeter Center that is not a threat to score. I’m not arguing with the logic behind the trade. It was sound at the time.
And as much as we hate to hear it. An injury changing a player doesn’t justify the belief that they will return to form( again I don’t see that as the excuse for him)

When D rose got injured and was never the same, then you can’t say it’s the same player.


“very well” is crazy, he’s been passable. Romanov would’ve made out D stronger and maybe we don’t need Carrier (doubtful)


Lmao that’s laughable. Can’t admit when your wrong eh

Keep accumulating those L takes on Dach.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The drafting those years were saved by Bergevin getting fired. Without Hughes' focus on development not sure we'd get much of anything from those drafts.

I disagree with this. Our development with our former GM was not good but it was not at a level where they would have ruined it all. You are getting confused with the previous group where the draft power was crap (2017-). There was a clear change with adding draft power while Bergevin was still trying to win from 2017+. It's OK to not like Bergevin but he did leave us with some good parts.

How did we ever develop Gallagher, Evans, Patch, Lehkonen, Romanov, Suzuki, Caufield. Must have got lucky eh. Please don't tell me Caufield would have never rebounded because Ducharme was hard on his back.

 

[Wats]

C below expectations.

There's some good picks but could be better considering the number of high picks they had.

Grading logic: A if they are top 6, B if 7-12, C if 13-18, D if 19-25, F if 26-32 in NHL. I would be very surprised if that result is top 12 in NHL.

 

[Theodore450]

Keep accumulating those L takes on Dach.

Hope he proves me wrong. We’ll see in the next 2 years if it was a waste of time

 

[Theodore450]

Move on time, give it up.

Which team would Poehls not be a 3c on?

 

[BaseballCoach]

Which team would Poehls not be a 3c on?

Montreal

 

[Theodore450]

Montreal

Isnt Dvorak our 3C?

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Hi there - friendly admin here. I don't want to be here, and you don't want me here.

Stop with the personal attacks (direct or otherwise) and I'll go away.

 

[Sorinth]

I disagree with this. Our development with our former GM was not good but it was not at a level where they would have ruined it all. You are getting confused with the previous group where the draft power was crap (2017-). There was a clear change with adding draft power while Bergevin was still trying to win from 2017+. It's OK to not like Bergevin but he did leave us with some good parts.

How did we ever develop Gallagher, Evans, Patch, Lehkonen, Romanov, Suzuki, Caufield. Must have got lucky eh. Please don't tell me Caufield would have never rebounded because Ducharme was hard on his back.

So you don't want to hear about Caufield but somehow believe that Pacioretty was developed under Bergevin despite him having had a 65 point season before Bergevin was ever hired, and you think I'm the one who is confused? Lol

 

[Habs Halifax]

Isnt Dvorak our 3C?

Seriously? Ever hear of Evans?

So you don't want to hear about Caufield but somehow believe that Pacioretty was developed under Bergevin despite him having had a 65 point season before Bergevin was ever hired, and you think I'm the one who is confused? Lol

I just don't think they would have ruined them all. I do agree they lacked focus at proper development but there are multiple angles to this. From 08-16, the draft power sucked! 2012 and 2013 had solid draft power but the other drafts did not. It was difficult to develop when the pool is very shallow and/or the picks were bad. Since 2017+, there was clearly better focus at draft power and it shows.

 

[Sorinth]

Seriously? Ever hear of Evans?



I just don't think they would have ruined them all. I do agree they lacked focus at proper development but there are multiple angles to this. From 08-16, the draft power sucked! 2012 and 2013 had solid draft power but the other drafts did not. It was difficult to develop when the pool is very shallow and/or the picks were bad. Since 2017+, there was clearly better focus at draft power and it shows.

Never said every single player would be a total bust. What I said is we'd have much less then what we currently seem to have. More busts and the ones who make it would likely be worse.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Never said every single player would be a total bust. What I said is we'd have much less then what we currently seem to have. More busts and the ones who make it would likely be worse.

Sorry if I comprehended this the wrong way but this was your quote (word for word)..

"Without Hughes' focus on development not sure we'd get much of anything from those drafts"

 

[BaseballCoach]

Isnt Dvorak our 3C?

Evans is better than Dvorak.

 

[Sorinth]

Sorry if I comprehended this the wrong way but this was your quote (word for word)..

"Without Hughes' focus on development not sure we'd get much of anything from those drafts"

Exactly, not much of anything isn't everyone busts hard. We didn't get much of anything from 08 to 15 either despite getting Gallagher and Lehkonen.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Exactly, not much of anything isn't everyone busts hard. We didn't get much of anything from 08 to 15 either despite getting Gallagher and Lehkonen.

There is no doubt our new management is better at both drafting and developing. I just think our past managers were better at it from 2017+. The learned a hard lesson but it was too late.

I'm not on the bandwagon where I think our past managers were trash at everything (not my style). I think they made some big mistakes but they did some good stuff and left us with some good parts. I think this is the tipping point where the Gorton/Hughes futures start to tip the scales

 

[Sorinth]

There is no doubt our new management is better at both drafting and developing. I just think our past managers were better at it from 2017+. The learned a hard lesson but it was too late.

I'm not on the bandwagon where I think our past managers were trash at everything (not my style). I think they made some big mistakes but they did some good stuff and left us with some good parts. I think this is the tipping point where the Gorton/Hughes futures start to tip the scales

They weren't better at it, the difference is that the prospects drafted late in the Bergevin era turned pro under Hughes and therefore didn't have to deal much with the Therrien/Lefebvre/Julien/Ducharme type coaches.

 

[montreal]

D for me at this point but that could change over the next few years.

I look at who they picked vs who they could have picked.

2017 - didn't go BPA with Poehling that's an F alone for me, Brook had what was thought be a possible career ending knee injury, no issues with the pick, the rest outside of Primeau were blah but good on Vincent Riendeau to spot Primeau in the 7th round. F+

2018 - I didn't want KK and hated how he was developed from day 1, Romanov was a nice pick for sure and Harris I had hoped he would develop more physically and offensively but no issues picking him at 71st OA. D-

2019 - Hit a homerun for a change with CC. I wasn't a fan of picking Struble that high but liked the Norlinder gamble. CC makes it an A-

2020 - I thought they wouldn't go D and instead take the German Reichel or Mercer out of the Q. I don't know how good Guhle will be, I think he's a little overrated on this board but I don't watch the Habs enough to say. We'll see what Dobes, Tuch, Farrell do over the next few years but I would give it a B for now

2021 - Tough to say, I am still surprised they picked Mailloux, he could turn out to be something good or a nothing burger, picking that late in the 1st, I don't want to be too hard but the look was not good when right after the draft Timmins had nothing to say about why they picked him. We'll see what Roy, Kapanen do down the road but I would say C-

 

[Habs Halifax]

They weren't better at it, the difference is that the prospects drafted late in the Bergevin era turned pro under Hughes and therefore didn't have to deal much with the Therrien/Lefebvre/Julien/Ducharme type coaches.

What would you say about Evans, Lehkonen, and Guhle?

 

[Theodore450]

Evans is better than Dvorak.

And everyone claims he’s a 4c (PS I agree with you Evans is a better 3C than both Dvorak and Poels)