How will you watch Blues games this year?

Celtic Note

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Dementia is absolutely brutal and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

I don't want to sound callous, but an 85 year old with dementia absolutely shouldn't be driving. Even if the skills are currently still there, they are going to go at some point and the majority of families learn they have gone after an incident. The odds that you and your family will recognize the tipping point based on something other than a crash are pretty slim.

As a prosecutor, one of the worst experiences of my career was a careless driving causing death case where the defendant had dementia. There are no winners in any careless driving causing death case, but even less so when the main issue is whether the defendant has the cognitive function to recognize what is going on around them. You have a defense attorney fairly asserting that we shouldn't prosecute and incarcerate a person with limited mental capacity and a victim's family fairly asserting that these limited capacities are exactly what caused the death of a loved one so someone needs to be held accountable for such a person being behind the wheel. Dementia is a nightmare and tacking on a tragic death, a criminal case and a civil case is a near-guarantee that two families get devastated. If anyone holds power of attorney or provides regular care for a driver with dementia, then that person is very likely to get sued for damages caused by that driver. The criminal case likely means that the state winds up dictating the end of life care for the person with dementia after a finding of incompetency to stand trial or a not guilty by reason of insanity verdict. Or that the state is ordering the person to remain incarcerated pending proceedings to protect the community. Or that the dementia isn't quite bad enough to eliminate legal culpability and the person is convicted and gets to end life in prison.

This is all worst case scenario of course, but it is not a crazy unlikely scenario. I saw too many crashes involving elderly people with diminished mental capacity. I only saw the one resulting in the death of another, but I saw plenty of frail people in handcuffs or hospitals because they hurt themselves or left the scene in confusion and an officer suspected drugs.

Take his f***ing keys away before the driving skills are gone, not after you learn the hard way that they are gone. It's going to be a brutally hard conversation whenever it happens. I watched my grandmother descend into an unrecognizable shell of herself. We put off the nursing home too long out of guilt and it was a horrible mistake. The decision to take his keys is going to be a painful one, but it is less painful to do it before a crash than after.
It’s unfortunate to have to recommend this, but yeah, agreed. Admittedly, It’s also incredibly difficult to do. The emotional flare ups that it causes are painful and I think a lot of us wait past time to make hard decisions because we are trying to balance quality of life and maintaining relationships for as long as we can. Often when the we get to the point that a decision is clear is when it’s past the time of making it. At least that’s my experience.

It’s so strange how things change. The arc and line between functional and not is blurry. Even in retrospect I can’t fully define that point in time for the two lives ones I have seen this happen to.

Maybe these lessons are just for me and don’t apply to everyone else? Not sure, just figured I would share incase they help.
 

joe galiba

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Dementia is absolutely brutal and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

I don't want to sound callous, but an 85 year old with dementia absolutely shouldn't be driving. Even if the skills are currently still there, they are going to go at some point and the majority of families learn they have gone after an incident. The odds that you and your family will recognize the tipping point based on something other than a crash are pretty slim.

As a prosecutor, one of the worst experiences of my career was a careless driving causing death case where the defendant had dementia. There are no winners in any careless driving causing death case, but even less so when the main issue is whether the defendant has the cognitive function to recognize what is going on around them. You have a defense attorney fairly asserting that we shouldn't prosecute and incarcerate a person with limited mental capacity and a victim's family fairly asserting that these limited capacities are exactly what caused the death of a loved one so someone needs to be held accountable for such a person being behind the wheel. Dementia is a nightmare and tacking on a tragic death, a criminal case and a civil case is a near-guarantee that two families get devastated. If anyone holds power of attorney or provides regular care for a driver with dementia, then that person is very likely to get sued for damages caused by that driver. The criminal case likely means that the state winds up dictating the end of life care for the person with dementia after a finding of incompetency to stand trial or a not guilty by reason of insanity verdict. Or that the state is ordering the person to remain incarcerated pending proceedings to protect the community. Or that the dementia isn't quite bad enough to eliminate legal culpability and the person is convicted and gets to end life in prison.

This is all worst case scenario of course, but it is not a crazy unlikely scenario. I saw too many crashes involving elderly people with diminished mental capacity. I only saw the one resulting in the death of another, but I saw plenty of frail people in handcuffs or hospitals because they hurt themselves or left the scene in confusion and an officer suspected drugs.

Take his f***ing keys away before the driving skills are gone, not after you learn the hard way that they are gone. It's going to be a brutally hard conversation whenever it happens. I watched my grandmother descend into an unrecognizable shell of herself. We put off the nursing home too long out of guilt and it was a horrible mistake. The decision to take his keys is going to be a painful one, but it is less painful to do it before a crash than after.

he sees his doctor every three months and has also seen a dementia specialist
both say he is still capable of driving and living on his own
at this point, his dementia is considered mild and is progressing quite slowly, at least now
three of his four children live in town and we all have the space and willingness for him to move in but he doesn’t want to and so far it isn’t necessary

I had a friend die of Lou Gehrigs and I don’t know which is worse, having your body shut down around you or having your mind start slipping away and knowing it
 

AjaxManifesto

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Preseason games? Will they be on YouTube?

As to regular season, I will be watching via NHLtv
And, BTW, I'm not really in STL. :naughty:

I will be watching virtually from <INSERT COUNTRY WITH FAST INTERNET>. :thumbu:
 

Brian39

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My wife and I bought tickets for twelve games.

We live pretty close to the rink and walk to the games.
I'm a first-time half season ticket holder this year! In addition to my 20 games, I also bought tickets to the home opener, #44 retirement night, replica Cup ring night and the Winter Classic. I'll have to sell some of my half-season plan tickets, but my intention is to hit somewhere between 14 and 18 games this year. The total number of games will depend on if I actually make the trip for the Winter Classic. I impulse-bought tickets when they went on sale and am now trying to convince the spouse that New Year's Eve in Minnesota is a logical and exciting trip! If my sales-pitch is successful, I'll have to sell a few extra home games to offset some of the cost.

No matter what, I'm very excited to finally be a (half) season ticket holder. It was one of my non-negotiables to move back to STL :naughty:
 

67Blues

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I'll watch the away games on Bally and the home games from my seats. I'm just worried the first few games are going to be absolutely a charlie foxtrot as they have to get your ID, your vax card, your ticket on your phone before you get in all while maintaining a 6' social distance in line. I'm guessing the first few games will take at least an hour to get inside until they straighten their system out. They have always had season ticket holder lines to get you through quicker, but I suspect they won't have that this year for a while.
 
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SwivelSchwartz

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I’m moving to enemy territory in a couple weeks for a new job. Might have to spring for nhl package unless anyone has better idea other than a vpn
 

MissouriMook

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I'll watch the away games on Bally and the home games from my seats. I'm just worried the first few games are going to be absolutely a charlie foxtrot as they have to get your ID, your vax card, your ticket on your phone before you get in all while maintaining a 6' social distance in line. I'm guessing the first few games will take at least an hour to get inside until they straighten their system out. They have always had season ticket holder lines to get you through quicker, but I suspect they won't have that this year for a while.
We're breaking new ground here with all of this, but even though my seats are on the 100 level I always entered the building through the 300 level entrance of the Kiel Garage. That line has always moved 100 times faster than the lines at street level.

Now if that line backs up this season because I've spilled the beans on this little secret, I will be the really tall guy standing in line shaking his fist and yelling at you to get off my lawn!
 

67Blues

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We're breaking new ground here with all of this, but even though my seats are on the 100 level I always entered the building through the 300 level entrance of the Kiel Garage. That line has always moved 100 times faster than the lines at street level.

Now if that line backs up this season because I've spilled the beans on this little secret, I will be the really tall guy standing in line shaking his fist and yelling at you to get off my lawn!
Thanks. We've always parked down at the stadium garage for $6 and walked down to the rink (about 4 blocks) which puts us right at the front entrance. This year, we've talked about getting a pass to the parking garage at the rink but haven't pulled the trigger yet. Maybe we will use your secret way in!
 
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TheDizee

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none at the rink, thats for sure. may try to go to the winter classic if the restrictions are not awful.

i will stream them
 

Brian39

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Thanks. We've always parked down at the stadium garage for $6 and walked down to the rink (about 4 blocks) which puts us right at the front entrance. This year, we've talked about getting a pass to the parking garage at the rink but haven't pulled the trigger yet. Maybe we will use your secret way in!
Is this one of the garages by Busch?

I lived away from St. Louis for almost a decade, so my knowledge of the best parking spots for Blues games is completely nonexistent.
 

67Blues

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Is this one of the garages by Busch?

I lived away from St. Louis for almost a decade, so my knowledge of the best parking spots for Blues games is completely nonexistent.
Yep. It is the stadium garage right next to ballpark village. Out of there and on the highway in minutes, no traffic, no waits. 9th and Clark entrance. Park on the 1st level.
 
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Brian39

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Yep. It is the stadium garage right next to ballpark village. Out of there and on the highway in minutes, no traffic, no waits. 9th and Clark entrance. Park on the 1st level.
Good to know. I park close to Enterprise for Cardinals games, so the walk isn't a concern at all. The price and easy exit sounds great!
 

joe galiba

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The parking in my garage is very cheap, the line for the bathroom is short, and I can drink an entire bottle of Eagle Rare for the same cost of about 8-10 beers

or I can head to any of 3 bars within a 3 minute drive of my expansive Oakville Island estate
 

67Blues

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The parking in my garage is very cheap, the line for the bathroom is short, and I can drink an entire bottle of Eagle Rare for the same cost of about 8-10 beers

or I can head to any of 3 bars within a 3 minute drive of my expansive Oakville Island estate
You can't replace being down there though. There is that.
 

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