Olympics: How will Chinese NT look in 2022?

[varsaku]

I feel they should be focused on the long haul if they want to be relatively competitive. They will most likely play similar to Korea at the Olympics since there is just too big of a talent to close within 4 years.

 

[ZT]

And why next season?

They need to play two consecutive hockey seasons and 16 consecutive months (480 days) in a Chinese club.
4 years (1460 days) if they played for another country in IIHF competitions.

 

[Uncle Rotter]

Because he sucks. There is almost certainly 23 players better than him.

There may be a few token actual Chinese players on the team to lend their moral support while sitting on the bench.

 

[Peiskos]

The team will be mostly low tier Canadian players who have attained Chinese papers.

 

[Booba]

Because he sucks. There is almost certainly 23 players better than him.

As bad as he is, there aren't many players who reached the USHL on this roster...

 

[Bjorn Le]

As bad as he is, there aren't many players who reached the USHL on this roster...

If he wasn’t drafted (which he only was because his dad was friends with Charlie Wang) he probably wouldn’t have been in the USHL.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

I feel they should be focused on the long haul if they want to be relatively competitive. They will most likely play similar to Korea at the Olympics since there is just too big of a talent to close within 4 years.

Or worse than Korea even.

 

[lawrence]

Knowing China, they will probably want to dress a full Chinese Squad to showcase the Chinese team. Won't be surprised if they approached Chinese born Canadians to the Squad, regardless of Paperwork.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Knowing China, they will probably want to dress a full Chinese Squad to showcase the Chinese team. Won't be surprised if they approached Chinese born Canadians to the Squad, regardless of Paperwork.

That's what the Korean women's ice hockey team did. There was one player from Toronto, etc.

 

[Zine]

I feel they should be focused on the long haul if they want to be relatively competitive. They will most likely play similar to Korea at the Olympics since there is just too big of a talent to close within 4 years.

China is nowhere near Korea's level, nor do I think they can be in 4 years without a drastic influx of talent.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

China is nowhere near Korea's level, nor do I think they can be in 4 years without a drastic influx of talent.

Who knows? They might pay heaps of money to NHL players to play for their team. #sarcasm

 

[lawrence]

China is nowhere near Korea's level, nor do I think they can be in 4 years without a drastic influx of talent.

China on the IIHF ranking is much lower then Korea.

They will probably want to showcase a team of asian players rather then dressing some Caucasian players.

Andong Song will probably be on the team, not sure if the Commies will approach Jonathan Ang, and Cliff Pu.

either way I think China will be slaughtered like the Italian Womens team in 2006. Hockey is just not a thing there, 4 years of preparing won't change a thing. Tyler Fu and his bro are Asian but Vietnamese, Tyler Ho of the Vancouver Giants might be approached. who knows.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

China on the IIHF ranking is much lower then Korea.

They will probably want to showcase a team of asian players rather then dressing some Caucasian players.

Andong Song will probably be on the team, not sure if the Commies will approach Jonathan Ang, and Cliff Pu.

either way I think China will be slaughtered like the Italian Womens team in 2006. Hockey is just not a thing there, 4 years of preparing won't change a thing. Tyler Fu and his bro are Asian but Vietnamese, Tyler Ho of the Vancouver Giants might be approached. who knows.

What about Tyler Wong? I think he's with the Vegas affiliate.

 

[SoundAndFury]

Well they can go the Korean way and start giving out citizenship to people who have nothing to do with China other than playing in it. And in a few years they would have a KHL-level team.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Well they can go the Korean way and start giving out citizenship to people who have nothing to do with China other than playing in it. And in a few years they would have a KHL-level team.

As for Canadian and American players who decided to play for Korea, they were enamored by their culture and society. In fact, Matt Dalton has a Korean name: Han Ra-sung.

 

[SoundAndFury]

As for Canadian and American players who decided to play for Korea, they were enamored by their culture and society. In fact, Matt Dalton has a Korean name: Han Ra-sung.

Yes, Matt Dalton went from being a well-respected KHL goalie to playing in one of the weakest pro leagues in the world out of love to the country he has, most likely, never been to before. Took their citizenship immediately as well, love from the first sight. Not because it was in his best financial interests at all. I'm really buying this reasoning.

Sure, as you go onto this kind of journey you might as well psyche yourself into enjoying it but lets not be that naive here.

P.S. What does that "having a name" fact prove, exactly? That if you have superstar Canadian playing on your NT you might as well give him the Korean name so you can market him more like one of your own?

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Yes, Matt Dalton went from being a well-respected KHL goalie to playing in one of the weakest pro leagues in the world out of love to the country he has, most likely, never been to before. Took their citizenship immediately as well, love from the first sight. Not because it was in his best financial interests at all. I'm really buying this reasoning.

Sure, as you go onto this kind of journey you might as well psyche yourself into enjoying it but lets not be that naive here.

P.S. What does that "having a name" fact prove, exactly? That if you have superstar Canadian playing on your NT you might as well give him the Korean name so you can market him more like one of your own?

Korea is not weak; I think, during the Olympics, they proved themselves as the Top 15 of international hockey teams. Also, I think he chose to name himself in Korean.

 

[SoundAndFury]

Korea is not weak; I think, during the Olympics, they proved themselves as the Top 15 of international hockey teams. Also, I think he chose to name himself in Korean.

Cold hard fact is Sakhalin is one of the powerhouses of Asia League. It's predominantly made of players who played themselves out of the VHL. So Dalton, in one move, went from playing in Russian tier 1 to rough equivalent of Russian tier 3. Korea might be top-15 in hockey (which, without imports, they aren't close to) but being top-15 in the sport played in roughly 20 countries isn't all that impressive, is it?

But as I've said, since he tied himself to South Korea for 4 years at least (because the goal was obviously play in the Olympics from the day he signed the contract) why not enjoy the ride. Maybe he did choose the name itself, why not. Again, what does it prove, exactly?

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Cold hard fact is Sakhalin is one of the powerhouses of Asia League. It's predominantly made of players who played themselves out of the VHL. So Dalton, in one move, went from playing in Russian tier 1 to rough equivalent of Russian tier 3. Korea might be top-15 in hockey (which, without imports, they aren't close to) but being top-15 in the sport played in roughly 20 countries isn't all that impressive, is it?

But as I've said, since he tied himself to South Korea for 4 years at least (because the goal was obviously play in the Olympics from the day he signed the contract) why not enjoy the ride. Maybe he did choose the name itself, why not. Again, what does it prove, exactly?

And...China's better? I don't think so, at this point.

 

[SoundAndFury]

And...China's better? I don't think so, at this point.

I don't think I ever said China is better because obviously at this point it isn't. I don't think it was the question at any point of this Dalton discussion.

But China has a KHL team so they can get KHL level players very, very easily as long as they are paying them money. Just like Dalton wasn't in love with Korea before he even got there. Like I said, in 4 years remaining China may easily build a KHL level NT if they want to because they have all the means for it. Which is basically money and a club at a highest possible hockey level you can afford. Check and check.

 

[Bjorn Le]

China on the IIHF ranking is much lower then Korea.

They will probably want to showcase a team of asian players rather then dressing some Caucasian players.

Andong Song will probably be on the team, not sure if the Commies will approach Jonathan Ang, and Cliff Pu.

either way I think China will be slaughtered like the Italian Womens team in 2006. Hockey is just not a thing there, 4 years of preparing won't change a thing. Tyler Fu and his bro are Asian but Vietnamese, Tyler Ho of the Vancouver Giants might be approached. who knows.

It's a pet peeve of mine, but I hate when China is labeled as "communists." They're really not. They use Marxist-Leninism to draft a cohesive national image but it plays virtually no role in their policy.

I also don't believe that if they make the choice not to dress Caucasian players, they will also dress any people of non-Chinese descent. It's particularly offensive to Chinese people to associate them as being the same as other Asian peoples (and that's true in most East/Southeast Asian cultures), so people would likely be just as upset.

 

[Uncle Rotter]

I don't think I ever said China is better because obviously at this point it isn't. I don't think it was the question at any point of this Dalton discussion.

But China has a KHL team so they can get KHL level players very, very easily as long as they are paying them money. Just like Dalton wasn't in love with Korea before he even got there. Like I said, in 4 years remaining China may easily build a KHL level NT if they want to because they have all the means for it. Which is basically money and a club at a highest possible hockey level you can afford. Check and check.

If someone has no ties to China, the process takes longer than two years. So the only players available to China for 2022 are those born in China or those with at least one Chinese parent or grandparent.

 

[SoundAndFury]

If someone has no ties to China, the process takes longer than two years. So the only players available to China for 2022 are those born in China or those with at least one Chinese parent or grandparent.

No, it doesn't. All you need is to play in it for 480 days. I don't know there you got that "parent or grandparent" part, IIHF couldn't care less about that. Unless you mean Chinese law about acquiring citizenship in which case it doesn't really matter either as they can forgo the usual procedure as soon as having a good hockey team becomes a priority.

IIHF Eligibility

 

[Uncle Rotter]

No, it doesn't. All you need is to play in it for 480 days. I don't know there you got that "parent or grandparent" part, IIHF couldn't care less about that. Unless you mean Chinese law about acquiring citizenship in which case it doesn't really matter either as they can forgo the usual procedure as soon as having a good hockey team becomes a priority.

IIHF Eligibility

But China does:
China searches for hockey talent outside its borders ahead of 2022 Olympics

 

[Bjorn Le]

But China does:
China searches for hockey talent outside its borders ahead of 2022 Olympics

I agree and I don't think they'll dress many non-ethnically Chinese players (if any), but they can and absolutely would expedite the process if they wanted to. I know someone who was headhunted by a Chinese public entity that offered him expedited citizenship as part of the employment package.