How well-known are Frank Boucher and Bill Cook among NYR fans?

You would love Franchise Hockey Manager's Historical Mode, if you don't play it already. I love learning about the history of the game as well. Thought you might appreciate my inaugural season roster (after some extensive trades):

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It turns out I'm also good at picking coaches and trading, so if we fast-forward a few years, my 1942-1944 NYR roster is:

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Forgive the deluge of screenshots. I just rarely come across NHL history aficionados.

Wasn't aware.

I hang out in the History and ATD forums since 2011, I learned a lot there.

I know most of these players pretty well. You should participate in the HoH section if you're not already.
 
You would love Franchise Hockey Manager's Historical Mode, if you don't play it already. I love learning about the history of the game as well. Thought you might appreciate my inaugural season roster (after some extensive trades):

View attachment 712697

It turns out I'm also good at picking coaches and trading, so if we fast-forward a few years, my 1942-1944 NYR roster is:

View attachment 712698

Forgive the deluge of screenshots. I just rarely come across NHL history aficionados.
Sidebar - while that's a solid game, I wish that someone had been able to re-create some of the realism of Eastside Hockey Manager from back in the day in that game.

I have FHM4 from back in the day and wasn't thrilled with the game. Players and teams tend to be too streaky, there's not enough flexibility with roles you can assign players, stars tended to underperform, and defensive D always tended to score way too many goals and points. Plus players would do terribly when put out of position on the PP which makes no sense (forwards on the point always didn't do much).

Also loved the realism of EHM. Everything, right down to the college teams was actually accurate (although they used fake names and fake league names aka not "NCAA" the stats were real and the fictional players were really modeled after real college players).

I also really don't get the AI in those games. It takes forever to sign free agents, whereas if you offer a guy a one-way contract on the last week of training camp who's not signed and not talking to any other team, he's going to leap at the offer and sign right away, not take a week to decide. Also frustrating because "commissioner mode" won't let you unretire players like Out of the Park Baseball is, which is frustrating when your best player randomly decides to call it quits at 32.

Curious if FHM has gotten that much better in the past few years, but from everything I've read the core issues with the sim engine and interface haven't really changed all that much.
 
What was the atmosphere like in the old garden? im curious to know the general thoughts of fans when the ‘68 version opened, we’re they excited about a modern building, or did the lament the renovation?

thanks for sharing your insights, I’ve enjoyed this thread a lot!
When The Garden opened in 1968, the biggest complaint was that the seats in the upper deck had an obstructed view of the ice. That summer, the upper deck was largely reconstructed to Improve the sight lines.
 
Sidebar - while that's a solid game, I wish that someone had been able to re-create some of the realism of Eastside Hockey Manager from back in the day in that game.

I have FHM4 from back in the day and wasn't thrilled with the game. Players and teams tend to be too streaky, there's not enough flexibility with roles you can assign players, stars tended to underperform, and defensive D always tended to score way too many goals and points. Plus players would do terribly when put out of position on the PP which makes no sense (forwards on the point always didn't do much).

Also loved the realism of EHM. Everything, right down to the college teams was actually accurate (although they used fake names and fake league names aka not "NCAA" the stats were real and the fictional players were really modeled after real college players).

I also really don't get the AI in those games. It takes forever to sign free agents, whereas if you offer a guy a one-way contract on the last week of training camp who's not signed and not talking to any other team, he's going to leap at the offer and sign right away, not take a week to decide. Also frustrating because "commissioner mode" won't let you unretire players like Out of the Park Baseball is, which is frustrating when your best player randomly decides to call it quits at 32.

Curious if FHM has gotten that much better in the past few years, but from everything I've read the core issues with the sim engine and interface haven't really changed all that much.
Whole different ballgame now; the game is smooth, polished, robust. I haven’t had a crash in the current (FHM9) version. Look for it on sale on Steam to give it a go. By far my favorite game (all consoles and genres).
 
@alkurtz You mentioned watching older games on video and your impression is that the game was much slower than it is now. I believe - and hopefully someone here can better explain this - the nature of the recording/broadcast technology makes the old games look slower. I don’t think it was as big a difference as it appears on tape. (Though I do think it’s probably a bit faster now).
 
What was the atmosphere like in the old garden? im curious to know the general thoughts of fans when the ‘68 version opened, we’re they excited about a modern building, or did the lament the renovation?

thanks for sharing your insights, I’ve enjoyed this thread a lot!
I was at the last game in the old MSG and the first game in the new MSG. My season ticket in the blues began the following season, the first full season of the new Garden.

The old Garden was a great place to watch a game. In all new arenas, the seats slope away from the ice. In older buildings like MSG or Boston Garden (I did get to see the Rangers play there), the second deck overhung the seats of the first deck. It put you really close to the ice.

Another thing: in the last days of the Original Six there were only about 100 players in the league. Teams could only dress 11 forwards and 5 D. It wasn't until the early 60s that teams were required to dress a backup goalie. It was a veteran league with not much turnover in players from year-to-year. The result was that you knew every player in the league. Not like now when a team comes to MSG from the west and it is the only time you see them and you find yourself saying "who are these guys?"

Not only that: players didn't wear helmets so you knew each player by sight. I recall one game when we watched a team come out for warmups and I said to my friend that "look, that guy got a haircut."

We were all excited about the new Garden. Maybe older fans were nostalgic but younger fans were hyped about the new building.

But my very first reaction after taking the elevator up to the blue seats and seeing the ice for the first time was "wow, we are really high up here." I remember having the same reaction when I went to Shea Stadium for the first time (the second game there), after watching the Mets (and earlier, the NY Giants) at the Polo Grounds.

It was an exciting time to be a Rangers fan: the team was emerging as an elite team, hockey was "hot" and growing, and he had a spanking new arena!
 
@alkurtz You mentioned watching older games on video and your impression is that the game was much slower than it is now. I believe - and hopefully someone here can better explain this - the nature of the recording/broadcast technology makes the old games look slower. I don’t think it was as big a difference as it appears on tape. (Though I do think it’s probably a bit faster now).

I'm not quite sure that is the case. Maybe games from the 40s and 50s, but by the 70s the technology, though it pales in comparison to what we have today, was still able to capture the speed of the game.

It was slower. Teams had only a few guys would be what today we call "fast." This was especially true with Dmen. In the days of the Original Six, the job of a D was to stay back and rarely rush the puck. A lot of what today we would call "pylons" on D back then.

The game today is incredibly fast. Though it has changed in so many ways from when I first became a fan, it is the speed of the game, even from 4th line guys that we consider "slow" that is the major difference.

Whether it is better training, better nutrition, the development of specialized skating drills and techniques that players are exposed to from a young age, better skates, or just a wider base of players to choose from, the reality is clear to me.

I'm not one to pine over the old days. The game was great back then. But when it comes to speed (as well as talent) the game today is simply on another level.
 
A couple of things as far as speed—skates are lighter and the technology just so much better and constantly improving. Also for younger players and on in the most competitive hockey these days all kinds of coaching available to improve speed, mobility etc. and players are working at that 10/11 months of the year. Everything is about at least keeping up if not getting an edge. There was no such thing as even power skating until pretty much into the 70’s.
 
A couple of things as far as speed—skates are lighter and the technology just so much better and constantly improving. Also for younger players and on in the most competitive hockey these days all kinds of coaching available to improve speed, mobility etc. and players are working at that 10/11 months of the year. Everything is about at least keeping up if not getting an edge. There was no such thing as even power skating until pretty much into the 70’s.
The game was always fast for its time. Every time I need to be reminded how fast the game is/was, all I have to do is go to a rink and film myself taking a full tilt lap around the ice "full speed" - no stick or puck required. Feels fast, but then you watch the replay. And the old timers put that to shame with skates that looked like this:

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Nowadays it's even more ridiculous. A guy can receive a pass wide open at the point in stride with 30 feet between him and a defender, and barely get off a slapshot before it's blocked by one of the forwards closing the gap in a little over half a second.
 
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I know so little about these guys that I didn’t even know that they played in an era where the NHL had 8 teams including two in NY. I know that now though.
And the rivalry between the NY Rangers and NY Americans was probably more hostile than NYR vs NYI or NYR vs NJD. The Rangers and Amerks literally hated each other to the core. Pretty sure Red Dutton cursed the Rangers.
 
When The Garden opened in 1968, the biggest complaint was that the seats in the upper deck had an obstructed view of the ice. That summer, the upper deck was largely reconstructed to Improve the sight lines.


What was the obstruction?

I was at the last game in the old MSG and the first game in the new MSG. My season ticket in the blues began the following season, the first full season of the new Garden.

The old Garden was a great place to watch a game. In all new arenas, the seats slope away from the ice. In older buildings like MSG or Boston Garden (I did get to see the Rangers play there), the second deck overhung the seats of the first deck. It put you really close to the ice.

Another thing: in the last days of the Original Six there were only about 100 players in the league. Teams could only dress 11 forwards and 5 D. It wasn't until the early 60s that teams were required to dress a backup goalie. It was a veteran league with not much turnover in players from year-to-year. The result was that you knew every player in the league. Not like now when a team comes to MSG from the west and it is the only time you see them and you find yourself saying "who are these guys?"

Not only that: players didn't wear helmets so you knew each player by sight. I recall one game when we watched a team come out for warmups and I said to my friend that "look, that guy got a haircut."

We were all excited about the new Garden. Maybe older fans were nostalgic but younger fans were hyped about the new building.

But my very first reaction after taking the elevator up to the blue seats and seeing the ice for the first time was "wow, we are really high up here." I remember having the same reaction when I went to Shea Stadium for the first time (the second game there), after watching the Mets (and earlier, the NY Giants) at the Polo Grounds.

It was an exciting time to be a Rangers fan: the team was emerging as an elite team, hockey was "hot" and growing, and he had a spanking new arena!

So awesome great memories!
 
I'll make a musical analogy for this topic and try to keep it general. Everyone knows who Metallica, Led Zeppelin, and The Beatles are. If you're more than a casual, you'll most likely be aware of Judas Priest, The MC5, and The Yardbirds.

It depends how much of a fan you are of the franchise and the history. Dolan-Era Rangers do a crappy job of promoting anything before the Francis/GAG Line Era.
 
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My season ticket in the old blue seats was in row B, section 432 (the benches were right below us), so obstruction was not an issue. That section, long gone as with everything in the old blue seats, was between the red line and the blue line. In my mind's eye, I still see every game as if I were sitting in that section.
 
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I'll make a musical analogy for this topic and try to keep it general. Everyone knows who Metallica, Led Zeppelin, and The Beatles are. If you're more than a casual, you'll most likely be aware of Judas Priest, The MC5, and The Yardbirds.

It depends how much of a fan you are of the franchise and the history. Dolan-Era Rangers do a crappy job of promoting anything before the Francis/GAG Line Era.
I like the analogy. Cuz I'm the guy who hears Santana's Black Magic Woman or Oye Como Va covers and always wonders why the Fleetwood Mac and Tito Puente originals seem to get so little notice.

This is why I loved doing a deep dive on NYR history and reveled in learning about the early NYR.
 
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