How to get the WCOH to appeal to you?
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They added team NA and team Europe due to qualifying right? Isn't the idea for the next one to be actual nations?
It appeals to me more if they drop out of the Olympics, I already despise the summer games and hockey is my main (read: only) focus of winter, although I enjoy some winter events unlike summer. Best on best hockey is a good thing, I think the next one will be a lot more successful, but I think this one is going to be plenty enjoyable.
A lot of it is me just wanting to watch hockey, but they skill level will be there to make it a great event. I think some people will definitely be eating some crow.
It appeals to me more if they drop out of the Olympics, I already despise the summer games and hockey is my main (read: only) focus of winter, although I enjoy some winter events unlike summer. Best on best hockey is a good thing, I think the next one will be a lot more successful, but I think this one is going to be plenty enjoyable.
A lot of it is me just wanting to watch hockey, but they skill level will be there to make it a great event. I think some people will definitely be eating some crow.
Don't play anthems because I don't care. I'm not at the arena for it, and I'm not standing up at home for it. I'm probably turning the channel as soon as they sing another country's anthem because I don't understand them anyway.
And if you're playing them before a game is there any reason you can't start singing them at 6:50 so the game starts at 7?
And if you're playing them before a game is there any reason you can't start singing them at 6:50 so the game starts at 7?
Stud Muffin
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The overwhelmingly most important thing is to get rid of the gimmick teams. That stuff just isn't acceptable in an international tournament... If you can't take the teams seriously then you can't take the results seriously.
That, and get the best players to show up. No point in having a best-on-best tournament where the top 20 players don't show up.
Fix those things and you've got my full attention.
That, and get the best players to show up. No point in having a best-on-best tournament where the top 20 players don't show up.
Fix those things and you've got my full attention.
Make it national teams, and tweak it each cycle to determine how many teams you invite, ranging in the 8-12 ballpark. I favor fewer teams, to be honest.
The potential is there for the North America and Europe teams to be highly damaging to the league's efforts to have partisans take the World Cup seriously. That has to be a key objective here.
Most importantly, perhaps, they need to convince their CBA partners. The players have recently voiced strong support for the Olympics. Has that changed with the next two Games in South Korea and China? Ask the players what the league needs to do to win them over to the idea of a World Cup. The argument that the league can make to them, wherein all stakeholders (owners, players) benefit financially from cutting out the IIHF/IOC, is a compelling one. What else do players want from best-on-best play?
I don't think they have done enough outreach to the players. That's a mistake. It will be interesting to see how players react to the tournament (almost entirely anonymously, of course, via media reporting.)
The potential is there for the North America and Europe teams to be highly damaging to the league's efforts to have partisans take the World Cup seriously. That has to be a key objective here.
Most importantly, perhaps, they need to convince their CBA partners. The players have recently voiced strong support for the Olympics. Has that changed with the next two Games in South Korea and China? Ask the players what the league needs to do to win them over to the idea of a World Cup. The argument that the league can make to them, wherein all stakeholders (owners, players) benefit financially from cutting out the IIHF/IOC, is a compelling one. What else do players want from best-on-best play?
I don't think they have done enough outreach to the players. That's a mistake. It will be interesting to see how players react to the tournament (almost entirely anonymously, of course, via media reporting.)
The Stig
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Make it legit. Make it open to every country, make it so all teams must qualify. Essentially make it like the soccer World Cup without the corruption.
Removing team NA/Europe would absolutely ruin the tournament. Olympic hockey is a waste of time for half the tournament and so would the WC if terrible teams like Slovakia, Germany and others get to play. No fun in watching a 15-0 game. I'd rather have Canada1,2,3 and USA 1,2 added rather than weak teams.
I was actually pumped up for it, but all of the naysaying on here somehow completely killed my buzz. I usually am excited for every international tournament.
Divine
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Most people on here will watch it, regardless of what they say. It's best on best hockey, in September, after an offseason.
Sure, it's not the Olympics, but most hockey fans will pay attention regardless. It isn't the best for 'growing the game', but this is the first World Cup. After a few of them, it'll become more appealing to non-hockey fans. Maybe they'll even change it to mid-season like the Olympics.
Sure, it's not the Olympics, but most hockey fans will pay attention regardless. It isn't the best for 'growing the game', but this is the first World Cup. After a few of them, it'll become more appealing to non-hockey fans. Maybe they'll even change it to mid-season like the Olympics.
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once the puck drops and we get hockey again the criticism will die down (unless someone important gets hurt)
Leafidelity
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Team NA23 is the reason I'm as interested as I am.
National pride, gimmick, yadda yadda yadda. The idea of the NHLs future stars playing the current stars is exciting as hell. They found a way to put McDavid, Matthews and Eichel on the same team in a competitive tourney. I'm in.
National pride, gimmick, yadda yadda yadda. The idea of the NHLs future stars playing the current stars is exciting as hell. They found a way to put McDavid, Matthews and Eichel on the same team in a competitive tourney. I'm in.
Make a commitment to it.
I am not at all interested because this could very well be a one off. In terms of not seeing the world cup held at a set time every however many years they wish to wait between tournaments.
If the NHL said we are doing this every four years, then it would mean something. But, since they are so wishy washy about the future of the world cup, I won't bother with it.
I am not at all interested because this could very well be a one off. In terms of not seeing the world cup held at a set time every however many years they wish to wait between tournaments.
If the NHL said we are doing this every four years, then it would mean something. But, since they are so wishy washy about the future of the world cup, I won't bother with it.
Amazing Kreiderman
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They should do the same in the Olympics as they do in Rugby Sevens.
The top teams go through to the Cup tournament, then you have a shield, bowl and plate tournament as well.
16 teams. The cup is for the winner of the tournament. The plate is for the second-place team, the bowl for the third, and the shield for the fourth.
After pool play is finished, the top two teams in each pool advance to play for the the cup. The four losers of the first round drop into the bracket for plate competition.
Meanwhile, the third- and fourth-place teams in each pool play for the bowl. The four losers of the first round then go on to play for the shield.
That way, the tournament will be interesting from the first till the last day, for all teams.
The top teams go through to the Cup tournament, then you have a shield, bowl and plate tournament as well.
16 teams. The cup is for the winner of the tournament. The plate is for the second-place team, the bowl for the third, and the shield for the fourth.
After pool play is finished, the top two teams in each pool advance to play for the the cup. The four losers of the first round drop into the bracket for plate competition.
Meanwhile, the third- and fourth-place teams in each pool play for the bowl. The four losers of the first round then go on to play for the shield.
That way, the tournament will be interesting from the first till the last day, for all teams.
WarriorOfGandhi
Was saying Boo-urns
Since it's nothing more than a circus exhibition put on so they can line their pockets, they can make it appeal to me by sharing some of the hookers, holiday homes, and retirement packages this thing is going to bankroll.
Hackett
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Canada cup/World Cup has always gotten my attention, although it's trending downwards.
Prior to 1998, it was the best opportunity to see the best on best. It was a big deal.
I still paid attention to it in 2004 even though the Olympic participation diluted the spectacle of the World Cup.
This year, it has too much of a gimmick feel to it, but if the intensity is high enough, it will probably keep me engaged as a viewer. However, the prestige is dampened by the additions of team North America and Europe.
ProstheticConscience
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Make it truly be a best on best tournament, if they're going to ignore the Olympics from now on.
Maybe in the future I'll have more interest in this event, if it happens again. I can't really say I'll watch much of this one.
I feel like they could've done a better job of both building and setting it up. It just doesn't feel like much of a major event. Winning a gold medal holds some weight, winning the World Cup of Hockey just has no name value.
The U-23 and Europe teams are gimmicky and a major turn-off to me, honestly. They add to the overall vibe this tournament gives me: an exhibition.The placement right before the NHL preseason probably contributes to that a little, too. If this becomes a regular thing for hockey, I can get on board with it. This edition doesn't feel like it's "must see," but that doesn't mean I'm hoping the concept fails.
I feel like they could've done a better job of both building and setting it up. It just doesn't feel like much of a major event. Winning a gold medal holds some weight, winning the World Cup of Hockey just has no name value.
The U-23 and Europe teams are gimmicky and a major turn-off to me, honestly. They add to the overall vibe this tournament gives me: an exhibition.The placement right before the NHL preseason probably contributes to that a little, too. If this becomes a regular thing for hockey, I can get on board with it. This edition doesn't feel like it's "must see," but that doesn't mean I'm hoping the concept fails.
LetsGoIslanders
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Exactly.
Yeah, I'll watch it. I'm hockey starved. However, Team North America and Team Europe cheapens the experience. It's a really corny move. Why shouldn't the US have Austin Mathews? They played with him in the WC.
Take the top 8 IIHF ranked teams and put them in the tournament. It's not like the Czech Republic couldn't be upset by Germany, Slovakia, Switzerland, Denmark, or Slovenia. The drop from 6 to 8 is noticeable, but we've seen upstart teams upset major players in major tournaments.
What does a team like Germany say after they were humbled by a major power? It's not, "Why were we here?" It's, "It will only make us better."
Sens of Anarchy
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I'd rather have the Olympics. Play for Olympic Gold , Silver, Bronze...
This tournament is not necessary. I will watch and I hope the competition is fierce.
This tournament is not necessary. I will watch and I hope the competition is fierce.
QnebO
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Winning hockey series makes you a hockey player but Winning Olympic medal or specially gold makes you "athlete" I think. Olympics are precious tournament, they're not just best-on-best tournament, but being olympics itself gives it some added value.
This tournament is bit of a money grab but that said I can't ****ing wait for tonight 18:30 Finland - Sweden game.
This tournament is bit of a money grab but that said I can't ****ing wait for tonight 18:30 Finland - Sweden game.
They already did a lot. Players are paid during the World Cup. They have to stay in 5 star hotel with single bedrooms. They using basically private planes. Food, trianing schedule have to be all in accordance with World Cup manual. So players are super satisfied imo.
It might be standard in NHL, but you dont get such a service in WHC and definetely not in Olympics. That s uncomparable. But you know, when it comes to real glory, your nation, people, you have to go outside the golden bubble and switch it for that simple shared rooms with shared kitchen etc. Nothing will change on it. Olympics are extraordinary event, whoever attend it confirm it, no matter you are athlete or fan.
