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How tired are players after a game?

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What would the ideal number of games be if it was calibrated to ensure players are in peak performance mode and not too tires from the previous game?

Just how tired are players after a game where they are going 15 to 20 minutes at full blast (then all of the practices as well)?

I would think even given their age, access to top physical therapists that 82 games is far from ideal.
 
Depends on the player I’d say. Age and job security has something to do with it. An 18-year old loving life gets less tired than a 32-year old journeyman looking for a job. Family life could impact vitality. A player with kids (Pietrangelo had triplet boys!) is going to probably be more tired than a bachelor. Genetics will also impact these things.
 
What would the ideal number of games be if it was calibrated to ensure players are in peak performance mode and not too tires from the previous game?

Just how tired are players after a game where they are going 15 to 20 minutes at full blast (then all of the practices as well)?

I would think even given their age, access to top physical therapists that 82 games is far from ideal.


comes down to perspective. It is 82 games for money and has been for awhile and even before that the numbers of games were insane, when there were 6 teams, they were already playing 70 games a year. They only difference between now and say 1967 is that players get a lot more money.

While you a focussed on games played and travel, you over look practice and personal lives. There is a reason why we are seeing players not have kids until they are 30 or later. Practice, travel, play family.

Also there is two kinds of tiredness, physical and mental and both are equally important
 
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Depends on the player I’d say. Age and job security has something to do with it. An 18-year old loving life gets less tired than a 32-year old journeyman looking for a job. Family life could impact vitality. A player with kids (Pietrangelo had triplet boys!) is going to probably be more tired than a bachelor. Genetics will also impact these things.
Good point on the kids. I guess you can say family life because I imagine a bad relationship would be mentally exhausting but there's not a lot the league can do about that! 1😅
 
I think the quality greatly enhances with 2 games per week. 1 mid week game and one weekend game. Then the numbers of games is reduced and the games mean more. The players are more focused and bring more energy. No more crap games with teams coming to town playing 3 games in 4 nights and losing their legs.

It will never happen because it goes against making money, and this is a business at the end of the day. But one can dream.
 
Hard to say what the ideal would be. 2-3 days in between games feels about right. The problem in the NHL is mainly one of fatigue from an endless season. I don’t see players slowing down from exhaustion, I see them accumulating injuries and struggling to maintain focus.
That makes sense given the dips and valleys not only in production but effort.

Which is why one of the biggest job requirements for a coach is ability to motuvate' especially getting closer to the end of the season.
 
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A couple of trends I have noticed during the cap era, which isn’t exactly a small sample size. Every cup champion’s core of star players are in their 20’s. a couple of players like lidstrom and Hosea were in their mid 30’s when they won cups, however Datsyuk, zetterberg, Kane, Toews Keith were in their prime years. Secondly, star players playing on their 3rd contract. Crosby won 2 cups on his third contract but his caphit stayed the same. Once Kane, Toews, doughty and kopitar signed their ufa deals, they never won another playoff round little own a cup. Kucherov was a 4 mil caphit in Tampa’s first cup, 9.5 mil caphit 2nd cup but was on ltir which negated the entire caphit. Seeing a trend?
 
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Hard to say what the ideal would be. 2-3 days in between games feels about right. The problem in the NHL is mainly one of fatigue from an endless season. I don’t see players slowing down from exhaustion, I see them accumulating injuries and struggling to maintain focus.

We currently have closer to 1 game day every 2 days than 3 days, and that makes a big difference. If it was 2.7, instead of the current 2.3, say by virtue of eliminating back to backs, then you'd significantly reduce the amount of fatigue that players exhibit throughout the season.

A couple of trends I have noticed during the cap era, which isn’t exactly a small sample size. Every cup champion’s core of star players are in their 20’s. a couple of players like lidstrom and Hosea were in their mid 30’s when they won cups, however Datsun, zetterberg, Kane, Toews Keith were in their prime years. Secondly, star players playing on their 3rd contract. Crosby won 2 cups on his third contract but his caphit stayed the same. Once Kane, Toews, doughty and koi tar signed their ufa deals, they never won another playoff round little own a cup. Kucherov was a 4 mil caphit in Tampa’s first cup, 9.5 mil caphit 2nd cup but was on ltir which negated the entire caphit. Seeing a trend?

The trend after 2014 doesn't match the trend before 2014 as far as the age of the top contributors on cup teams. There are more in their late 20s or even 30s than early 20s.
 
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Something that has always puzzled me about the league's schedule regarding travel is why they don't schedule two teams to play back to back games at one arena? This would cut down on travel time.
They do this quite often in the AHL and ECHL. For example, the Charlotte Checkers here in the AHL are on an island in terms of nearby opponents (Hershey is the closest opponent, 7+ hours away), so the home schedule is full of 2 or 3 games in a row against the same opponent, to cut back on the amount of travel to Charlotte for those teams.
 
We currently have closer to 1 game day every 2 days than 3 days, and that makes a big difference. If it was 2.7, instead of the current 2.3, say by virtue of eliminating back to backs, then you'd significantly reduce the amount of fatigue that players exhibit throughout the season.



The trend after 2014 doesn't match the trend before 2014 as far as the age of the top contributors on cup teams. There are more in their late 20s or even 30s than early 20s.
30-32 is top of the mark, Ovid was 31 when he won, Stone and Piet were 30 and 32 respectively. There are not 34 yr old star/superstars winning cups. Those guys are golfing by mid April typically.
 
I’d say travel times/ time zones crossed ends up being a pretty significant component in this consideration.
Jonathan Toews was always a proponent of having baseball-style series instead of playing a different team every night. He is a bit of an environmentalist and said it would cut down on airfare emissions and be better for players' sanity to not always be jetting around to different cities.

I also have to wonder if this would reduce the disparity between the regular season and the playoffs ("it's a different game"), since teams are not used to matching up and adjusting against one another in-season.
 
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Jonathan Toews was always a proponent of having baseball-style series instead of playing a different team every night. He is a bit of an environmentalist and said it would cut down on airfare emissions and be better for players' sanity to not always be jetting around to different cities.

I also have to wonder if this would reduce the disparity between the regular season and the playoffs ("it's a different game"), since teams are not used to matching up and adjusting against one another in-season.
With the nhl schedule matrix it doesn’t save much travel. Cause you play the other conference home and away only for 32 games.

You get 3 games vs the other division in your conf so you can get 4 sets of games at home where you could do B2b or twice in 3 days. That is another 24 games.

Up to 56 games so 26 left for 7 teams.

5 teams you play 4 times and 2 you play 3 times.

So you can host 10 teams for 2 consecutive games and play 10 games on the road in the same city.

But 6 of these are in division so for East the travel savings is low. For the west, it’s a bigger deal.
 
Jagr would always work out after games. And recruit others to join him.

20 minutes of high intensity intervals is really not that much for an elite athlete. Even playing back to backs.

I’m sure the bumps and bruises of playing hockey have more to do with their diminished performance as the games stack up, more so then just being “tired”
 
Travel and not sleeping in your own bed has to be worse than the actual games Id think.
When you have to travel after the game to a b2b that is rough.
Start game at 7. Finish around 9:40 local. Cool down on bike, shower and interviews best case board the bus at 10:30 local to go to airport. How far are most airports from arenas? 30-40 minutes? More? So get to your plane after 11pm?

Fly to new city. However long that is.

Board a bus to get to your hotel ( near the arena). Another 30-40 minutes? Assuming no time zone change that is at least 11:30-11:45 pm without flight time. Which could be 2 hours.

So not in hotel bed until like 2am or later.
 
They do this quite often in the AHL and ECHL. For example, the Charlotte Checkers here in the AHL are on an island in terms of nearby opponents (Hershey is the closest opponent, 7+ hours away), so the home schedule is full of 2 or 3 games in a row against the same opponent, to cut back on the amount of travel to Charlotte for those teams.
And now imagine you're the Vancouver Canucks in the 21 team league and no two game sets vs. the same opponent on the road or at home.
 
That makes sense given the dips and valleys not only in production but effort.

Which is why one of the biggest job requirements for a coach is ability to motuvate' especially getting closer to the end of the season.

One thing I’ve observed, especially lately from following the Canes under RBA, is the importance of the coach’s role in establishing discipline in the players’ routines and habits.

Athletes are pulled in so many directions and have such an inconsistent lifestyle. As ordinary people I don’t think we have a good feel for how hard it is to show up with the appropriate level of intensity for everything they’re expected to do. They’re supposed to go balls-out for 18 minutes of ice time, 82 times a year, but also not hurt themselves or play reckless or take dumb penalties. They’re supposed to be amped all the way up during the game, but also sleep on the 3-hour flight to the next city, and then wake up at 4am to go to a hotel, and then sleep some more, and then wake up in a different time zone and make good decisions on their diet and then be amped up again for a game that their body thinks is taking place an hour earlier than the last one. And also be good to the fans and not be short with the media, not respond to anyone’s Twitter bullshit, not be bothered by people harassing their family, handle a multimillionaire’s personal budget, deal with their agent, rehab an injury, stay away from the clubs, drive the speed limit, and be a dad to a newborn. And in game #834 when it’s 6-2 in the second period, they’re supposed to GO GO GO and be INTENSE and when they get their stick a little high along the boards we’re like, “wow what’s with this guy’s lack of discipline?”.

One thing I’ve noticed from Brind’Amour, and it goes to the success the team has experienced under him, is that he smooths those things out. There’s a clear connection between the way the players carry themselves in the weight room during the offseason, and the way they carry themselves in Game 7 OT. It’s not just “be intense”. It’s “you have a role on this team, you have a job to do right now, so step up right now, and then move on to the next thing at the appropriate time.” I notice it most after the games are over, how much consistency and routine they show in transitioning from one game to the next. The focus is always on, what’s the next step? You’re tied after regulation going to OT, what’s your role? You just lost in OT and now you’re in the locker room, get dressed and do your post-game. Get home on time, get to sleep on time, get up on time, get back to the arena on time.

First of all, it smoothens out the focus issues. Second, it quickly identifies the guys who can’t hack it. You end up with a group identity, and on the Xs and Os side of the business the Canes have translated that identity into a lot of wins for a team that lacks top tier talent.

And it all goes back to what you said — motivating people to do the thing they’re supposed to be doing right now. Starting with investing in themselves in the summer, all the way through that trudge through the regular season and up the playoff ladder till they’re staggering toward the finish line.
 
Depends on the player I’d say. Age and job security has something to do with it. An 18-year old loving life gets less tired than a 32-year old journeyman looking for a job. Family life could impact vitality. A player with kids (Pietrangelo had triplet boys!) is going to probably be more tired than a bachelor. Genetics will also impact these things.
All that to say... "dunno"
 

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