Player Discussion How overpaid is Tavares

[hamzarocks]

Oh, the gold in this thread.

While tavares has definately made me eat crow so far with his hot start and strong play its too early to still commit to him

Need to see how the year ends and most importantly if he has a good playoffs.

Does look noticably more skilled and capable so far. Best he has looked since 2021.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

It'll be very funny if Tavares keeps this up and has a PPG season while Matthews struggles and we get another first round loss out of it.

Want to explain how exactly that would be funny?

 

[Maple Leaf]

Want to explain how exactly that would be funny?

remember, if you truly want to understand the present or yourself, you must begin in the past. You see, history is not simply the study of the past. It is an explanation of the present.

 

[Zybalto]

Oh, the gold in this thread.

I tried to tell em at the time.

Tavares had a month long slump, the worst of his career and then went right back to his usual consisitant self. Look even now as so many are acting surprised at Tavares numbers so far even though he finished last season with 18 goals and 34 points in 36 games.

I like the fact his defensive numbers have so solid the last couple of years to go with evolution into one of the best faceoff guys in hockey during his time with the Leafs. You can tell he's one of the harder working guys in hockey.

 

[Its not your fault]

He's almost PPG and, at 34, he's still got some good years ahead of him. If he were to sign 2 years at Sid's $8.7M/year, would it really be that bad? If $8.7M is too much, $7.7M? He seems to like the number 7 on his contracts.

That covers the difference in the Marner contact

 

[Evilhomer]

remember, if you truly want to understand the present or yourself, you must begin in the past. You see, history is not simply the study of the past. It is an explanation of the present.

Deep. Nice.

I suspect he's is going to get around probably three years between $5M and $6M annually.

Anything thing longer term or higher rate and Leafs should walk. IMO

I expect that he will take much less than that over a longer term. I think 6 or 7 years at $3-$4 million per year.

 

[Racer88]

That covers the difference in the Marner contact

We shouldn’t be looking at stuff like that as covering someone else’s increase. We need to be counting on Tavares’s saving to improve the team, not just shoveling it into Marners bank account. That’s why we have been playoff failures for 8 years and counting .
Stupid Dubas started this cycle and somehow we need to break the cycle. We need to start getting players to play above their contracts and not always being behind in that regard

 

[ACC1224]

LEAFS TAKEAWAYS: John Tavares shows his veteran composure in late rally, OT win over Caps

The former captain's contributions are a reason Toronto has a winning record without current leader Auston Matthews in the lineup.

torontosun.com

His contract status for next season is unknown, but John Tavares is proving he still has a huge role to play on the Leafs.



A lot of this wild comeback went through him, never mind the winning goal, but taking 23 faceoffs — the vast majority — and getting a nice assist on Bobby McMann’s opening goal on their rejigged line with Mitch Marner after the whole team sucked in Tuesday’s 3-0 shutout loss to Ottawa.



It was Tavares’ 77th game winner, tying Patrick Kane for sixth among active NHL skaters and his 18th OT strike. Only Alex Ovechkin, Sidney Crosby, Brad Marchand and Jaromir Jagr have more.

 

[Leafsfan74]

JT hasn't received much criticism from me over the years as he came here voluntarily.

It's all about playoffs. That's it. The cap structure cannot support four high paid forwards, maybe not even three.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I tried to tell em at the time.

Tavares had a month long slump, the worst of his career and then went right back to his usual consisitant self. Look even now as so many are acting surprised at Tavares numbers so far even though he finished last season with 18 goals and 34 points in 36 games.

I like the fact his defensive numbers have so solid the last couple of years to go with evolution into one of the best faceoff guys in hockey during his time with the Leafs. You can tell he's one of the harder working guys in hockey.

You can sing his praises all you like but unfortunately, he's been consistently subpar in the playoffs.

Him and Marner have been the same - good during the regular season but then their production goes way down in the playoffs and last year they both hit rock bottom, Marner with LOL 3 points in 7 games and JT with LOLOLOL 2 points.

For those people who don't care about the playoffs, this is not a problem but for those of us dreaming about winning the cup, this is a massive problem and these guys have simply not been earning their pay and when 22 million brings you 5 points over 7 games, that's a lot to overcome. And no, winning faceoffs, killing penalties and whatever else is not enough, with massive cap hits like these guys have, you must produce offence as well.

What's really weird is that in Marner's case, many have said that his game is simply not suited for the playoffs and when the teams adjust to playoff hockey and focus in defence, he is no longer effective and that makes a lot of sense but JT? His game is completely different from Marner's in the regard, he's a talented grinder, Crosby lite as many have said and his game is very well suited for the playoffs so his lack of production is not only a big disappointment, but also a big surprise. Seriously JT, WTF??

Maybe this spring will be different. As the saying goes, hope is the last to die.

JT hasn't received much criticism from me over the years as he came here voluntarily.

It's all about playoffs. That's it. The cap structure cannot support four high paid forwards, maybe not even three.

This guy gets it!