How much of the PP is the coaching and how much is it the players?

[SnowblindNYR]

I was going to start a thread asking what everyone thought was the biggest difference maker. Then I thought it was a silly question because yes, Richards has been rejuvenated (although the PP wasn't great in 11-12 when he was good), sure McDonagh finally got us a calm presence at the point, and sure Zucc is a great PP QB for us, but the PP went from one of the biggest jokes in the league to a legit top unit. Sometimes it looked like the players had no idea what they were doing in previous years. So instead I'll ask a different question, how much of it is the talent and how much of it is the coaching? We have some good talent on this team but it has been consistently fantastic. Most of the time even if they don't score they still create good opportunities. In previous years we'd go 10 games where we'd maybe see a couple of decent PPs. Now we see a good PP practically every man advantage. Do you guys think that in previous years we'd have a top PP with the talent we had if we had this coaching staff?

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[Fitzy]

I can't say that the improvement of the NYR power play, and the struggles of the Vancouver power play have nothing to do with the coaching.

NYR's PP is the best it has been in decades.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I'd say its both when it comes to special teams. Depends on where your priorities are.

This team stinks 5 on 5 and has a very good PP. Previous teams were the exact opposite. Its a give and take.

However, you're never going to move forward until you get more good players.

 

[Vidic15*]

I'd say its both when it comes to special teams. Depends on where your priorities are.

This team stinks 5 on 5 and has a very good PP. Previous teams were the exact opposite. Its a give and take.

However, you're never going to move forward until you get more good players.

I'm actually surprised by our 5 on 5 this year. We can actually pin teams in their zone. Many times I thought we were on the PP. Couldn't believe my eyes. Also, we're generating more plays off the rush. Never noticed these things under Torts.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I'm actually surprised by our 5 on 5 this year. We can actually pin teams in their zone. Many times I thought we were on the PP. Couldn't believe my eyes. Also, we're generating more plays off the rush. Never noticed these things under Torts.

Im glad it looks prettier to you. But the facts are that the team is generating less goals and allowing more at even strength.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

The Rangers aren't producing well 5 on 5 this year, but I think they've been as good as they've been since the Straka-Nylander-Jagr teams at creating chances 5 on 5. The difference is there's no Jagr to score on this team. The Rangers have had a hard time finishng 5 on 5. The Rangers coming into today's game were 4th in the league in shots per game and obviously most are not on the PP and I wouldn't say most are soft shots from the point.

 

[pld459666]

I don't think that what Torts was teaching the players got.

Seems more natural with AV and his staff.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

The Rangers aren't producing well 5 on 5 this year, but I think they've been as good as they've been since the Straka-Nylander-Jagr teams at creating chances 5 on 5. The difference is there's no Jagr to score on this team. The Rangers have had a hard time finishng 5 on 5. The Rangers coming into today's game were 4th in the league in shots per game and obviously most are not on the PP and I wouldn't say most are soft shots from the point.

So, again, why should the team be playing a style that doesn't fit the personnel?

 

[ecemleafs]

we practice and study video of our PP all the time now. under torts we neglected the PP for whatever bizarre reason.

 

[ecemleafs]

So, again, why should the team be playing a style that doesn't fit the personnel?

i think the style has fit the personnel since the personnel adjusted to the changes.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

i think the style has fit the personnel since the personnel adjusted to the changes.

I think the defense has played better, and thats made a difference.

I see a team that needs some personnel upgrades if they are going to continue playing this type of style at even strength.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

The style fits their personal, they're creating chances, they've just not been snakebitten. I don't see the team being any better offensively with Torts' style.

 

[Ian]

If MZA played like this on the PP last year, the group as a whole would have been seen as league average or better, not extremely subpar.

While I don't want to sound like I'm giving no credit to AV/coaches, the fact that MZA and Kreider (as well as Poliout), have given the Rangers a second set of effective PP wings has a lot to do with it as well.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

If MZA played like this on the PP last year, the group as a whole would have been seen as league average or better, not extremely subpar.

While I don't want to sound like I'm giving no credit to AV/coaches, the fact that MZA and Kreider (as well as Poliout), have given the Rangers a second set of effective PP wings has a lot to do with it as well.

Was MZA given that opportunity last year? I don't even remember.

 

[SKS]

Was MZA given that opportunity last year? I don't even remember.

He only played last 15 games of regular season, but then our PP improved.

 

[Miller Time NYR]

I think the overall offensive mindset of this team, and the confidence they have help in making the power play more effective, the teams not going from defense defense defense to turning the switch to offense now, if that makes any sense.

Also the fact that there is a coach assigned purely to special teams, that's gotta help. the whole environment seams more conducive to playing better offense in general.

 

[Machinehead]

It's 100% the coaching. The Rangers and Canucks switched coaches and pretty much switched powerplay efficiency.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

It's 100% the coaching. The Rangers and Canucks switched coaches and pretty much switched powerplay efficiency.

Well the Canucks' PP was pretty bad last year.

 

[Machinehead]

Well the Canucks' PP was pretty bad last year.

True but I think last year was just a weird year for them. Didn't play anything like AV's Canucks who were a top 10 offense and a top 10 powerplay three years in a row before that. The only other team in the league to register top 10 in both categories during each of those three years was San Jose.

 

[ecemleafs]

He only played last 15 games of regular season, but then our PP improved.

we also added brassard whos important for controlling the puck the PP.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

True but I think last year was just a weird year for them. Didn't play anything like AV's Canucks who were a top 10 offense and a top 10 powerplay three years in a row before that. The only other team in the league to register top 10 in both categories during each of those three years was San Jose.

To play Devil's advocate maybe they were on a downturn that continued to this year. Also they didn't have Arniel those years it was Brown, I believe.

 

[Doctyl]

To play Devil's advocate maybe they were on a downturn that continued to this year. Also they didn't have Arniel those years it was Brown, I believe.

I give a lot of credit to Arniel, who I was against hiring. Happily eating my crow.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

Both. The coaching seems to be able to successfully work the special teams, I think Arniel has something to do with it. I thought he'd suck and kill Brass. Crow, Eat.

Also, the players too. They're executing well. Credit's due

 

[OverTheCap]

I'd say its both when it comes to special teams. Depends on where your priorities are.

This team stinks 5 on 5 and has a very good PP. Previous teams were the exact opposite. Its a give and take.

However, you're never going to move forward until you get more good players.

Agreed. The PP is better, but even strength play has declined and defensively the team is surrendering more high-scoring opportunities. And even though the team is capable of generating scoring chances, the inability to finish is holding them back.

This team will never be able to fire on all cylinders until the personnel improves.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Agreed. The PP is better, but even strength play has declined and defensively the team is surrendering more high-scoring opportunities. And even though the team is capable of generating scoring chances, the inability to finish is holding them back.

This team will never be able to fire on all cylinders until the personnel improves.

I don't think their even strength play declining has anything to do with the PP or coaching, they have been creating more quality chances than before just not finishing them. I also think the D's been coming along.