How many teams would Thomas Harley be a #1D on?

[OG Eberle]

@Spurgeon

Let’s see how objective you are willing to be then.

Head to head this playoffs in your precious 5-on-5 xGF%:

Brock Faber: 52.4%
Lane Hutson: 61.3%

Hutson played on a worse team, and played against an arguably better opponent, so you can’t use that excuse. He likewise logged heavy minutes against the other team’s top lines. He was also p/gp, as opposed to Faber’s goose egg.

If Faber is a #1D, what does that make Hutson?

I have zero horse in this race. In fact, I was astonished this thread has been allowed to stay open with essentially the same 3 people emotionally screaming at each other through their keyboards the last 3 pages.

Having said that, your argument sucks for a number of reasons:

1) You're cherry picking singular stats to fit your narrative
2) You're moving the goal posts from Faber/Harley, to Huston/Faber as if that somehow has any relevance to the argument between Harley and Faber
3) You make a null hypothesis of if Faber is a #1D, then somehow Hutson or others can't be?
4) After the singular stat you bring up, you use conjecture and opinion to back it up, but then slam the other posters when they do the same
5) Finally, you're just plain unpleasant to have a dialogue with because your mind has been made up that everyone is wrong who disagrees with you. Your tone and attacking of the presenter vs the data is tiresome. And you talk with a very "hollier than thou" attitude.

Hopefully you can grow from this feedback. But I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Chi: yes
Ana: yes
Bos: no
Car: no
Col: no
Cgy: yes
Buf: yes
Cbj: no
Edm: yes
Det: yes
Nj: yes
Min: yes
La: yes
Fla: no
Nyi: yes
Nsh: no
Sj: yes
Mtl: yes
Nyr: yes
Stl: yes
Sea: yes
Ott: yes
Phi: yes
Uta: yes
Van: no
Tbl: no
Pit: yes
Wpg: yes
Vgk: no
Tor: yes
Wsh: yes

I value Harley very high and I still think he is underrated. He is a top 10 D-man in the NHL in my eyes. He is better than Fox, Carlson, Morrissey, Sergachev, Sanderson, Dobson, Doughty etc.

He's not in MN, not a chance. Not over Brodin, Spurgeon or Faber. the wild also run a different system so no, he wouldnt

 

[Zrhutch]

Hey guys I wonder if anyone here thinks if Harley would be the top defenseman in Minnesota?

 

[BoHorvat 53]

Not in any order/based off play this season: Winnipeg (Morrissey), Colorado (Makar), Columbus (Werenski), NYR (Fox), Buffalo (Dahlin) and Vancouver (Hughes)

If you haven't been living under a rock, you'd know he's played at a top-10 D level this year.

 

[oconnor9sean]

Hey guys I wonder if anyone here thinks if Harley would be the top defenseman in Minnesota?

Obviously not, they have Declan Chisholm

 

[Garbageyuk]

I have zero horse in this race. In fact, I was astonished this thread has been allowed to stay open with essentially the same 3 people emotionally screaming at each other through their keyboards the last 3 pages.

Having said that, your argument sucks for a number of reasons:

1) You're cherry picking singular stats to fit your narrative
2) You're moving the goal posts from Faber/Harley, to Huston/Faber as if that somehow has any relevance to the argument between Harley and Faber
3) You make a null hypothesis of if Faber is a #1D, then somehow Hutson or others can't be?
4) After the singular stat you bring up, you use conjecture and opinion to back it up, but then slam the other posters when they do the same
5) Finally, you're just plain unpleasant to have a dialogue with because your mind has been made up that everyone is wrong who disagrees with you. Your tone and attacking of the presenter vs the data is tiresome. And you talk with a very "hollier than thou" attitude.

Hopefully you can grow from this feedback. But I'm not holding my breath.

You might want to check who brought up this “singular stat”. It wasn’t me. In fact, I said the exact same thing, that it’s a cherry-picked single metric, but he decided to double down on it. Hilarious how once the argument is dismantled, you all are crying about it being cherry-picked, when I was saying that from the start. Now you agree it’s cherry-picked . And course, it’s crickets from those guys because they can’t come up with a counter-argument.

 

[Golden_Jet]

None of the data supports this claim. His possession metrics and analytics are terrible.

Do you have some data that supports this possession metrics and terrible analytics ?

Terrible analytics is so wide encompassing, can you narrow it down and provide some data.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Do you have some data that supports this possession metrics and terrible analytics ?

Terrible analytics is so wide encompassing, can you narrow it down and provide some data.

Are the analystics and stats not available to you?

 

[landy]

About 50% of the teams. Hes legit.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Are the analystics and stats not available to you?

lol, you’ve been arguing for 6 pages about how poor the analytics are, and have yet to provide any. The task is on you since you’ve been repeating endlessly.

So let’s see some terrible analytics, as opposed to just saying it lol. It seems like you have nothing, reading this thread.

 

[Garbageyuk]

lol, you’ve been arguing for 6 pages about how poor the analytics are, and have yet to provide any. The task is on you since you’ve been repeating endlessly.

So let’s see some terrible analytics, as opposed to just saying it lol. It seems like you have nothing, reading this thread.

This just isn’t true. Maybe you should read better. The data is available for you. Look it up. It’s not like I have access to something that no one else does.

 

[johnnybbadd]

Harley has been much better in this years playoffs than he was even last year. That is just by my eye test. He’s legit.

 

[Golden_Jet]

This just isn’t true. Maybe you should read better. The data is available for you. Look it up. It’s not like I have access to something that no one else does.

If you have it provide it, or stop with the BS posts if you can’t back it up,

Obviously you have NOTHING , otherwise you would have posted some in your last 50 posts instead of crying and whining.

 

[Elysian]

Hey guys I wonder if anyone here thinks if Harley would be the top defenseman in Minnesota?

100%

 

[Elysian]

Harley has not been their best defensemen, despite good offensive numbers. Lindell has.

His pairing started bleeding shots like crazy the moment Heiskanen went down. That also continued into the playoffs. That's why he's a -5 despite putting up 11 points.

Faber was on ice for more goals forward than he was against these playoffs. Which impressive with no points. In fact, it demonstrates how effective he is at shutting people down when he's on. He didn't get "caved" in any way, shape or form.

Not only were you dead wrong (or intentionally) lying about these players in the playoffs, you don't seem to really have a good understanding of either player in general.

He's -5 because he plays on the PP, which is red hot for Dallas, and means he's not going to be getting +'s. What a ridiculous argument.

 

[Hertl Power]

He'd be a #1 on all the 'no' teams if they didn't already have their own. Same situation he's in right now.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Obviously not, they have Declan Chisholm

some of you are baiting. do some freaking research. my gosh oh yeah he would over over Brodin, Spurgeon and Faber. When wild run a different system than freaking dallas. Laughable

 

[Garbageyuk]

If you have it provide it, or stop with the BS posts if you can’t back it up,

Obviously you have NOTHING , otherwise you would have posted some in your last 50 posts instead of crying and whining.

It’s already backed up; I don’t have to do anything. The data is readily available. If you don’t like my posts, stop quoting me. Pretty simple solution there. And I haven’t whined or cried at all here, unlike some. I’m not the one taking issue with someone else and going out of my way to interject into a discussion I wasn’t involved in.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

100%Nope

 

[Garbageyuk]

He's -5 because he plays on the PP, which is red hot for Dallas, and means he's not going to be getting +'s. What a ridiculous argument.

I told him the same thing. When someone uses plus-minus as the basis of their argument, you know they have no idea what they’re talking about.

 

[Golden_Jet]

It’s already backed up; I don’t have to do anything. The data is readily available. If you don’t like my posts, stop quoting me. Pretty simple solution there. And I haven’t whined or cried at all here, unlike some. I’m not the one taking issue with someone else and going out of my way to interject into a discussion I wasn’t involved in.

lol, ok got it, you have nothing, noted.
The only reason your not providing data, is you know your wrong.

 

[Garbageyuk]

lol, ok got it, you have nothing, noted.
The only reason your not providing data, is you know your wrong.

Cool, go ahead and frame it however you want dude. You know the data is readily available. Enjoy.

 

[Fatass]

It’s already backed up; I don’t have to do anything. The data is readily available. If you don’t like my posts, stop quoting me. Pretty simple solution there. And I haven’t whined or cried at all here, unlike some. I’m not the one taking issue with someone else and going out of my way to interject into a discussion I wasn’t involved in.

It’s an open discussion. Assume any post made is meant for all to reply, if they so choose. There are PM features for private discussions.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Cool, go ahead and frame it however you want dude. You know the data is readily available. Enjoy.

Sure the data is available, you just refuse to use it to back up your point, because you don’t want to prove yourself wrong.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Sure the data is available, you just refuse to use it to back up your point, because you don’t want to prove yourself wrong.

You know I’m not wrong dude. The data is there. I don’t have to do anything because you say. Do it yourself and prove me wrong if you’re so sure of it. I didn’t go out of my way to interact with you. Or, don’t and keep yapping; it makes no difference to me.