How many points would a prime Jagr put up in todays NHL?

[SeanMoneyHands]

We are talking 94-01 peak Jagr where he won 5 Art Ross trophies and 1 Hart trophy in 6 seasons. He was arguably the most dominant player of that era to go with Mario and Wayne.

I say he puts up 150pts easy, maybe hits 175. Likely finishes 2nd in league scoring only behind McDavid. Probably beats him out in a few seasons.

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[daver]

He wasn't "with Mario and Wayne". Mario was clearly another level when they played together in the '90s.

So, no, he would not hit 175 but he would be hitting 140/150 and challenging McDavid.

 

[triggerman]

I think this is a complicated question. Jagr was ahead of his time in terms of conditioning, studying the game, nutrition, and skating. If you watch games from that era, there are a lot of guys who wouldn't make the ahl today. I still think he'd be in the 120 point range, but he would not have the huge gap between his preparation and that of everyone else. I actually think his most impressive season was 66 points in FLA when he was competing against modern players.

 

[bobholly39]

Voted 150-169

I figured that'd be peak. Prime would be ~120-160, so depends.

 

[daver]

Voted 150-169

I figured that'd be peak. Prime would be ~120-160, so depends.

There is something to be said about his peak coming during the DPE where it was arguably was more difficult for superstars to separate themselves like the players in higher scoring environments.

If Kucherov and MacKinnon can hit 140, then it's possible Jagr could hit 160.

But it can also be argued his size played a factor in his dominance during the DPE, something that would be less of a factor in today's game.

 

[jigglysquishy]

I don't think he outscores McDavid but he gets close. Peaks around 145-150.

 

[TheGuiminator]

Slightly more than Kucherov, but less than McDavid.

I'd say 150 pts would be his peak

 

[Felidae]

Yeah I don't think peak Jagr (1998) outproduces peak McDavid (2022-23 and 2020-21) but he'd have as good a chance as anyone not named Gretz and Lemieux taking Art Ross trophies from McDavid. He'd be the only player actually challenging him for the Art Ross every year (more frequently than Kucherov has)

 

[DitchMarner]

His best seasons ('96, '99) work out to about 145 adjusted points according to hockeyreference (which factors in overall league-wide scoring among other things). Kucherov is given a total of 140 for this season (144 actual points), so a player would have needed about 150 actual points to be given a total of 145 adjusted points. McDavid's adjusted point total for 2023 is 146 adjusted points (slightly better than Jagr's absolute best). He had 153 real points. These figures suggest absolute peak offensive Jagr could have hit or come close to 150 points in today's League.

However, in terms of peer domination, he never quite separated himself the way McDavid did in 2023.

I'd say his absolute best case scenario is being close to McDavid if both are at their best. There's no basis for thinking he scores more than about 152 points.

 

[Dion TheFluff]

peak Jagr would be scoring 130 - 155 using adjusted eras so I'll go with that.

 

[Albatros]

Depends on where and with whom he played, but if he could score 120+ multiple times in the DPE even with Jan Hrdina and Kip Miller, he sure as hell could do more now.

 

[dirtydanglez]

a hair behind mcdavid.

 

[KevinRedkey]

In terms of pure point production, I think he's falls somewhere between peak McDavid and peak Kucherov.

Seeing as McDavid's current best is 153, and Kuchrov's is 144 - I'll say 148 so I voted 120-149.

 

[Video Nasty]

The power of McDavid dropping 105 points in 56 games and 153 points in 82 games is in full effect.

Before he did achieved those, there were a fair amount of people here who doubted even Gretzky and Lemieux would drop over 150 in today’s game (it should be crystal clear by now they would notch at least 170). Now people think Jagr and everyone else would do it.

That being said, if Jagr could notch 127 points in 81 games for a team that scored 242 goals in a league that averaged 2.63 GPG, yes, I do believe Jagr could have added another 25 or so points in a peak year. If Kucherov and MacKinnon can get 140-144, Jagr is more than capable of going higher.

 

[Regal]

The power of McDavid dropping 105 points in 56 games and 153 points in 82 games is in full effect.

Before he did achieved those, there were a fair amount of people here who doubted even Gretzky and Lemieux would drop over 150 in today’s game (it should be crystal clear by now they would notch at least 170). Now people think Jagr and everyone else would do it.

That being said, if Jagr could notch 127 points in 81 games for a team that scored 242 goals in a league that averaged 2.63 GPG, yes, I do believe Jagr could have added another 25 or so points in a peak year. If Kucherov and MacKinnon can get 140-144, Jagr is more than capable of going higher.

It’s not just McDavid though, it’s everyone scoring more. Gretzky and Mario topping out at 150 was generally brought up in the 2012-2018 era. But Kucherov hitting 128 in ‘19, Draisaitl pacing for 127 before the Covid shut down, and then like you said, Kucherov and MacKinnon hitting 140 this year as well make it feel like Jagr should hit those numbers too. I think even if McDavid didn’t exist, the other scorers would suggest Jagr could push 140+

 

[Mrb1p]

Mcdavid like or better

The power of McDavid dropping 105 points in 56 games and 153 points in 82 games is in full effect.

Before he did achieved those, there were a fair amount of people here who doubted even Gretzky and Lemieux would drop over 150 in today’s game (it should be crystal clear by now they would notch at least 170). Now people think Jagr and everyone else would do it.

That being said, if Jagr could notch 127 points in 81 games for a team that scored 242 goals in a league that averaged 2.63 GPG, yes, I do believe Jagr could have added another 25 or so points in a peak year. If Kucherov and MacKinnon can get 140-144, Jagr is more than capable of going higher.

Today's Game is not 2015s game.

 

[Video Nasty]

Mcdavid like or better


Today's Game is not 2015s game.

Rewrite history all you want, but heading into 2021, most were unable to comprehend McDavid crossing 100 points in the shortened 2020-2021 season and before he completed the 150 point job in 2023, there was equal disbelief. This is a period of just 1-3 years ago, where most didn’t think these numbers were possible in today’s game, far from the 9 years that have passed since 87 points was enough for Benn to beat Crosby.

 

[Mrb1p]

Rewrite history all you want, but heading into 2021, most were unable to comprehend McDavid crossing 100 points in the shortened 2020-2021 season and before he completed the 150 point job in 2023, there was equal disbelief. This is a period of just 1-3 years ago, where most didn’t think these numbers were possible in today’s game, far from the 9 years that have passed since 87 points was enough for Benn to beat Crosby.

The fact mcdavid did it first doesn't prove anything. He's still by far the best of the current crop, that's not in question. What's in question is how much is a 150 point season is worth in the 20s compared to a 100 points season in the 10s.

 

[bert]

150-169. No one could handle him down low with no clutching and grabbing.

Depends on where and with whom he played, but if he could score 120+ multiple times in the DPE even with Jan Hrdina and Kip Miller, he sure as hell could do more now.

Dont think alot of posters watched him in his prime. Teams were literally tackling him and he still scored like that.