Speculation: How Many Players Now Regret the Tortorella Firing?

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

They made the second round twice under Torts guy. They got by the Sens and Caps because of elite goaltending and McD-Girardi being demigods. Ottawa swarmed all over them the whole series, that series should've been an easy sweep. It went to 7 long and hard games instead. They were inexperienced, awful defensively, and even lost Alfredsson for 3 games. Remember that garbage call on Nick Foligno for goalie interference in game 6? If that's not called Ottawa wins that series in 6.

The Caps were a different story, they were playing as defensive as can be and played the Rangers to a T. But the only wins against the Caps that series that were even good wins were game 1, game 5, and arguably 7. The Caps could've won that series just as easily.

Take away Brassard's absolutely beautiful playoff run, and the goaltending, Caps win that series in 5. The Caps are not a better team than the Rangers.

But the Rangers won those series.....

I'd love to hear the explanation behind the entire Boston series and where the effort was. It wasn't there, except game 1.

Explanation? Besides Boston is better?

 

[Raspewtin]

But the Rangers won those series.....



Explanation? Besides Boston is better?

You know what I meant .

Boston is absolutely a better team, and there was pretty much no effort from the Rangers. Game set match. Facing a better team doesn't kill a team's effort.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

But the Rangers won those series.....



Explanation? Besides Boston is better?

Of all the outlandish stuff that appears on this board daily, I think the stuff about those series not being good enough wins for some people make me laugh the most.

 

[Raspewtin]

Of all the outlandish stuff that appears on this board daily, I think the stuff about those series not being good enough wins for some people make me laugh the most.

I'm not arguing that I wanted them to win a different way. If they win, who cares.

I'm arguing that this team didn't always give this balls-to-the-wall effort under Torts that everyone claims they did every night. They took plenty of nights off. The playoffs were no exception.

The big difference now is that they get yelled at less when they don't.

 

[McRanger]

I'm not arguing that I wanted them to win a different way. If they win, who cares.

I'm arguing that this team didn't always give this balls-to-the-wall effort under Torts that everyone claims they did every night. They took plenty of nights off. The playoffs were no exception.

The big difference now is that they get yelled at less when they don't.

Heresy!

Seriously though I agree. The effort under Torts and the lack of effort under AV have both been seriously exaggerated.

That's pretty much status quo for the board. Hank has some mediocre starts and we are not re-signing him. A coach wants to improve the teams non-existent transition game and he wants us to be the 80's Oilers. The team gets shut out and the team is without any talent. A role player gets traded or signs elsewhere and the team loses its identity. The team loses a game and we need to rebuild...

 

[Riverdale]

There were a LOT of times last season that people complained the Rangers weren't ready in first periods.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Its just all so funny. You can see the debate shifting as the season progresses.

In the off-season, it was all about how Tortorella's archaic stone-age hockey was no good for this team, and how Vigneault would open up the offense and this team would score more goals.

Whoops.

 

[GordonGecko]

There were a LOT of times last season that people complained the Rangers weren't ready in first periods.

bingo

 

[McRanger]

There were a LOT of times last season that people complained the Rangers weren't ready in first periods.

Last season? That was a problem for years. Even in '11-'12.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

There were a LOT of times last season that people complained the Rangers weren't ready in first periods.

So they're just as mediocre and inconsistent as last year's team. Great. Why did they just HAVE TO make a coaching change again? Rearranging deck chairs?

I've been asking for people to focus on the real problem for years -- but Glen Sather isn't on their televisions every night. Thats why trades and coaching changes are the only things that can fix the Rangers, apparently.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Last season? That was a problem for years. Even in '11-'12.

And its going to continue being a problem so long as the roster remains not very good.

 

[True Blue]

They got by the Sens and Caps because of elite goaltending and McD-Girardi being demigods.

Now we are grading on winning on style points?

I'd love to hear the explanation behind the entire Boston series and where the effort was. It wasn't there, except game 1.

Ummm....Boston being far and away the better team?

If they don't go on that big run (where, reminder, they didn't win anything), Sather doesn't gut the team for Nash.

yes, because Sather historically has been quite on the trade front

there was no way in hell adding Nash was taking this team to the finals. Especially with that absolute abortion of a bottom 6.

Off course not, which is why Sather's knee jerk reaction was stupid.

 

[True Blue]

I'm arguing that this team didn't always give this balls-to-the-wall effort under Torts that everyone claims they did every night. They took plenty of nights off. The playoffs were no exception.

You must have been watching a different team that I have. One does not get routinely called "being one of hardest working teams in the league" by taking nights off.

 

[True Blue]

There were a LOT of times last season that people complained the Rangers weren't ready in first periods.

Yes, there were times that they were not ready. Then Torts would call a time out 5 minutes into the game and chew them out. Then they played.

I simply cannot believe some of the revisionist history that I am reading. These boards (and frankly most of media) were ALL waxing the poetic about how much the Rangers brought it every night. One of hardest working teams in the league. One of hardest teams to play against. And now, reading these boards, suddenly the Rangers were floating under Torts.

Sorry, apparently I must have been watching a different team.

 

[McRanger]

And its going to continue being a problem so long as the roster remains not very good.

Assuming the team is as devoid of talent as you think, that talent level affects preparation and effort?

Ok.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Assuming the team is as devoid of talent as you think, that talent level affects preparation and effort?

Ok.

No. Thats why I think you're completely out to lunch saying this team tries harder than the '11-12 team. I think the talent level of those teams are on an equal plane. I think that team from 2 years ago worked harder and more consistently.

 

[McRanger]

No. Thats why I think you're completely out to lunch saying this team tries harder than the '11-12 team. I think the talent level of those teams are on an equal plane. I think that team from 2 years ago worked harder and more consistently.

I never said they work as hard as ANY Torts team.

I said the perceived profusion of work ethic under Torts and the perceived lack of work ethic under AV are both exaggerated.

And they are.

Since you mentioned it I think this team works as hard as last years team. And I think they work as hard as the teams Torts coached the first 3 years.

The '11-'12 team was harder working. It was one of the hardest working units I've seen in decades. It was comfortable and it was confident. At least in the regular season. And Torts deserves all the kudos in the world for that.

The rest of the time? Holding players accountable and hollering on the bench doesn't mean your team is hard working. Especially to start the game. The Rangers came out flat a lot.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I never said they work as hard as ANY Torts team.

I said the perceived profusion of work ethic under Torts and the perceived lack of work ethic under AV are both exaggerated.

And they are.

Since you mentioned it I think this team works as hard as last years team. And I think they work as hard as the teams Torts coached the first 3 years.

The '11-'12 team was harder working. It was one of the hardest working units I've seen in decades. It was comfortable and it was confident. At least in the regular season. And Torts deserves all the kudos in the world for that.

The rest of the time? Holding players accountable and hollering on the bench doesn't mean your team is hard working. Especially to start the game. The Rangers came out flat a lot.

I agree with this assessment. And Im not trying to convey that ALL of Torts' teams were these admirable hard-working squads. But I think he was building something with the '11-12 team. I think that team needed to be added to in order to take the next step. Not gutted from a depth standpoint to get that goal scorer that everyone craved at the time.

Everyone (including myself at the time) took that hard-working blue collar foundation for granted. The Nash trade changed the dynamics. Sather has only imported more dubious talent when it comes to work ethic since that point. A team that wore its heart on its sleeve and competed hard mostly every night is gone.

 

[GordonGecko]

I agree with this assessment. And Im not trying to convey that ALL of Torts' teams were these admirable hard-working squads. But I think he was building something with the '11-12 team. I think that team needed to be added to in order to take the next step. Not gutted from a depth standpoint to get that goal scorer that everyone craved at the time.

Everyone (including myself at the time) took that hard-working blue collar foundation for granted. The Nash trade changed the dynamics. Sather has only imported more dubious talent when it comes to work ethic since that point. A team that wore its heart on its sleeve and competed hard mostly every night is gone.

Pure garbage - Duby was useless and Anisimov wasn't that valuable. Hard-working blue collar my *** what does that get you in terms of wins. Nice fairy tale. We needed that top line scorer and Nash was what was available. That trade should have been made 10 times out of 10, and we also got Brass in return

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Pure garbage - Duby was useless and Anisimov wasn't that valuable. Hard-working blue collar my *** what does that get you in terms of wins. Nice fairy tale. We needed that top line scorer and Nash was what was available. That trade should have been made 10 times out of 10, and we also got Brass in return

They got Brassard in the Gaborik trade.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Pure garbage - Duby was useless and Anisimov wasn't that valuable. Hard-working blue collar my *** what does that get you in terms of wins. Nice fairy tale. We needed that top line scorer and Nash was what was available. That trade should have been made 10 times out of 10, and we also got Brass in return

In the Nash trade? Incredible. Thats news to me.

When you look at things in a vacuum, you can be susceptible to such woeful analysis.

Hard working/blue-collar got that team 109 points, 1st in the east, and 2 playoff round wins for the first time in 15 years.

Nowadays, we have a team that doesn't know what the **** it is, and won't find out anytime soon. Not good enough to be a skill team, not strong enough to be a tough team. Purgatory.

 

[Riverdale]

Yes, there were times that they were not ready. Then Torts would call a time out 5 minutes into the game and chew them out. Then they played.

I simply cannot believe some of the revisionist history that I am reading. These boards (and frankly most of media) were ALL waxing the poetic about how much the Rangers brought it every night. One of hardest working teams in the league. One of hardest teams to play against. And now, reading these boards, suddenly the Rangers were floating under Torts.

Sorry, apparently I must have been watching a different team.

No, I wouldn't say they were floating at all. But there were times when they were inconsistent as well. They were a hard team to play against in '11-'12. Maybe losing Prust+Dubi affected that a lot more than we thought it would.



Honestly, I am growing more and more sick of this roster and management with each passing game. Year in and year out I try to go into the season with some optimism, but I am done.

Get ready for some .500 hockey year round. Whatever.

 

[GordonGecko]

In the Nash trade? Incredible. Thats news to me.

haha yeah sorry I was editing that post back and forth I screwed up

Look, I know where you're coming from. The work ethic on the part of the team a couple of years back was very good, but they were stuck on offense. The Rangers had to do something, grinders can only get you so far.

What else should the Rangers have done?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

haha yeah sorry I was editing that post back and forth I screwed up

Look, I know where you're coming from. The work ethic on the part of the team a couple of years back was very good, but they were stuck on offense. The Rangers had to do something, grinders can only get you so far.

What else should the Rangers have done?

Add to that team. Not take the foundation they created for granted at the expense of a perceived offensive upgrade. You reference Nash for Dubinsky/Anisimov, but the truth is that half of the forwards from that team left -- they were mostly replaced with perennial losers from Columbus. Its no wonder why that mindset is gone.

Of course its easy to say this stuff in hindsight, but here we are, and it sure looks like we lost the physical/mental toughness and didn't upgrade the team goal scoring one bit.

 

[GordonGecko]

Add to that team. Not take the foundation they created for granted at the expense of a perceived offensive upgrade. You reference Nash for Dubinsky/Anisimov, but the truth is that half of the forwards from that team left -- they were mostly replaced with perennial losers from Columbus. Its no wonder why that mindset is gone.

Of course its easy to say this stuff in hindsight, but here we are, and it sure looks like we lost the physical/mental toughness and didn't upgrade the team goal scoring one bit.

But even going back to Richards signing, who knew he would turn out to be such a dud? Nash isn't a dud but he hasn't quite produced like everyone expected. Who could have predicted that. Even if the whole roster is a bunch of great guys but can't get to the next level, what's the point.