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I can't speak for Canadian law, but that kind of arrangement would be absolutely illegal in the United States. You can't just insert "hire my family members at six-figure salaries" as a condition of a charitable gift.

The fact that Yashin was not willing to write the check without that condition tells you all you need to know. He wanted to make a $1 million "charitable gift" where half the money came back to his family. That is highly unethical and most likely as illegal in Canada as it is in the USA.

Operative word is "paid" in the third paragraph and you do admit it is work.

Charitable donations cannot come with such conditions.

this is my industry and i can tell you guys that these kinds of arrangements happen all the time, like you wouldn't believe. i've seen it in canada and the US. my educated guess is that yashin's deal fell through because he handled his business out in the open, the way i'm guessing you would in russia, instead of discreetly like one does in north america.

i don't know what this says about his character, if anything, other than he's a rich guy doing rich guy things. we would all be very naive to think captains of industry sit on museum boards and donate hundreds of thousands of dollars, sometimes millions, because they think it's important that your child has access to monet or group of seven paintings.

and also, if i was a betting man, i would put wager that the arrangement with his parents was more to get them visas than to pay them.
 
This is illegal, and it's not hard to figure out why. Yashin was claiming a $100,000 tax deduction, while sending $85,000 back to his own family, on each $200,000 installment. The math speaks for itself...

And even if that arrangement weren't illegal on its face (Google "self dealing") the idea that they would incur $85,000 a year in "expenses" on consulting work for an arts program is absurd. Completely absurd. One would have to be deliberately naive to think that this was an innocent arrangement to help promote the arts. It was a blatant attempt to dodge taxes. I work in this area professionally and I am telling you, no legitimate charitable gift would be structured to look anything remotely like this.

And for what it's worth, again in my professional opinion, there are key red flags around the fact that an "independent consultant" was paid over ten thousand dollars simply for arranging the deal, and also that the NAC blew the whistle on itself. That strongly suggests that Yashin('s consultant) approached the NAC with an idea, signed on the dotted line before anyone figured out what he was doing, and then someone at the NAC realized they were going to go to jail if they didn't wave a red flag.



Oh, please. He had already cut a $200,000 check, he was hardly in the middle of a libertarian epiphany. He wanted to keep his money out of "bureaucratic recesses" by claiming illegitimate tax credit.

Canadian accounting professional here. Can confirm that would be against Canadian tax law.
 
this is my industry and i can tell you guys that these kinds of arrangements happen all the time, like you wouldn't believe. i've seen it in canada and the US. my educated guess is that yashin's deal fell through because he handled his business out in the open, the way i'm guessing you would in russia, instead of discreetly like one does in north america.

i don't know what this says about his character, if anything, other than he's a rich guy doing rich guy things. we would all be very naive to think captains of industry sit on museum boards and donate hundreds of thousands of dollars, sometimes millions, because they think it's important that your child has access to monet or group of seven paintings.

and also, if i was a betting man, i would put wager that the arrangement with his parents was more to get them visas than to pay them.


I think his agent, or someone else associated with the transactions, indicated that Yashin didn't know much, if anything about the details of the donation. Admittedly he may have said this in an (unsuccessful) attempt to protect his client's reputation, but it would not surprise me if this were the case. I also believe someone in the Yashin camp was going to get a significant fee for arranging the transactions.

Nice deal overall. Donate $200k/yr, save ~$100k/yr in taxes, and your parents and one of your handlers get about $100k/yr in aggregate. NAC wins, Yashin and camp come out close to even, and only one who loses is the Canadian taxpayer.
 
Nice deal overall. Donate $200k/yr, save ~$100k/yr in taxes, and your parents and one of your handlers get about $100k/yr in aggregate. NAC wins, Yashin and camp come out close to even, and only one who loses is the Canadian taxpayer.

yeah it's a travesty that cultural institutions have become the money laundering schemes of the super rich, or in other cases collateral in real estate transactions. there's a reason ppl call it the non-profit industrial complex.

and we continued to buy sports arenas for billionaires too.
 
this is my industry and i can tell you guys that these kinds of arrangements happen all the time, like you wouldn't believe. i've seen it in canada and the US. my educated guess is that yashin's deal fell through because he handled his business out in the open, the way i'm guessing you would in russia, instead of discreetly like one does in north america.

i don't know what this says about his character, if anything, other than he's a rich guy doing rich guy things. we would all be very naive to think captains of industry sit on museum boards and donate hundreds of thousands of dollars, sometimes millions, because they think it's important that your child has access to monet or group of seven paintings.

We would also be naive to think the IRS (and Canadian equivalent thereof) would just wink at this if the organization -- you know, the government agency -- ever had its finances scrutinized.

What he tried to do was tax fraud. If a celebrity gets caught up in tax fraud, nobody says "meh, rich guy doing rich guy things".
 
In Yashin's last year on the Sens, I remember him executing an outstanding end-to-end play. He stickhandled through numerous players from his zone to the opponent's, all the way to the net and scored a goal.

And he did this with fairly average (through underrated at the time) foot speed. The play was made possible by his great hands excellent vision. The Sens fanbase was almost ready to forgive him that year, but once he left for Long Island the improving vibes ended.

I think Yashin is a misunderstood guy. He is a very likeable and friendly man who chose to play hardball with the businessmen who ran the Senators and a few other people who ran - I don't recall - either a charity or a museum. Yashin was going to make a donation, but changed his mind because something went haywire.

Yashin was assailed by some really nasty people in Canadian conservative media, most harshly by Sun Media who very effectively shaped public opinion. I am not saying that fans had to like Yashin's decision, but scribes like Earl McRae worked hard to present Yashin as the ugliest villain in hockey history.

Personally by default, I tend to take the side of players over owners because players are workers. Owners are the ones who control the media and have the most power to shape public opinion. Although Yashin made a mistake by sitting out while under contract, I believe him when he says that he had a handshake deal to renegotiate it. He believed that ethically he was in the right, and there is likely some substance behind that. Is this harder to believe this than to presume that he was simply greedy and a horrible human being?

Finally, Sun Media writers lumped Yashin's contract dispute situation with the idea that he was a lazy underachiever. I agree somewhat that Yashin underachieved, especially in the playoffs. But he was not lazy. Yashin actually worked pretty hard, but his subpar skating and a somewhat finesse style fit people's preconceptions and prejudices of a soft Euro. Although not the most hard working player in the world, I wouldn't call Yashin a floater.

The most unfortunate of Yashin's playoff failures was the 4-game sweep at the hand of the Sabres in that year before his sit-out. He had 24 shots on goal in those 4 games and was completely robbed by Hasek, putting up no points. The rest of his team did not fare much better. He became an easy target.

I think the mistake the Sens made was making him captain. I don't know why they did it. Yashin wasn't captain material, and they should have known that.

Agreed, especially with the bolded.

The guy was a mercenary, but the notion that he was a 'lazy underachiever' or a floater is BS.

He was a hard-working player who was consistently productive right through his career from start to finish (50 points in 58 games in his final season at age 33-34).

He's reviled by fans in Ottawa because of his contract issues/holdouts/donation saga and reviled by Islander fans because of the horrible trade to acquire him ... but neither of those things have anything to do with how he actually played. But people take those negatives and run with them and smear them across his playing career, which is pretty unfair.
 
Yashin was a strange animal. Good size, strength and oozed skill. His drawbacks were his speed (lack of) and the drama/headaches that came with him (think Radulov-ish). He always kind of reminded me of the Russian Pierre Turgeon - a talented, bigger guy with great skill but not the horse you can bank on to win a Cup as the main guy. I think he would have been the perfect "Malkin" to say, Yzerman's "Crosby" but he never had that luxury.

He wasn't nearly as silky smooth as his fellow Russians - Fedorov, Bure, Mogilny, Kozlov, Kamensky, etc. ... but his raw skill level was on par and he was blessed with the size and reach.

I sort of get the comparison to Sundin actually. That said, Mats was a true warrior and had 1,173 times the leadership and heart that Yashin did. Sundin was also clutch as someone else mentioned. I'd choose Sundin over Yashin to build a team any day of the week.
 
We would also be naive to think the IRS (and Canadian equivalent thereof) would just wink at this if the organization -- you know, the government agency -- ever had its finances scrutinized.

What he tried to do was tax fraud. If a celebrity gets caught up in tax fraud, nobody says "meh, rich guy doing rich guy things".

im not saying its not despicable, im just saying that most rich ppl who pony up in the arts get a piece like yashin tried to. and usually the stakes are much much larger.

as for yr disbelief, not that i really want to get into it but i do believe yr country has not exercised any emolument clauses so, you know, things do conveniently slip through the cracks.
 
im not saying its not despicable, im just saying that most rich ppl who pony up in the arts get a piece like yashin tried to. and usually the stakes are much much larger.

I'm sorry, if you really do this stuff professionally you should know perfectly well that most arts donors are not looking for kickbacks from their gifts. The tax break IS the kickback. There's a perfectly legal way to make money by being charitable, which doesn't involve the risk of jail time. The idea that this is routinely ignored by a bunch of organized criminals behind the scenes of art charities is nonsense.

as for yr disbelief, not that i really want to get into it but i do believe yr country has not exercised any emolument clauses so, you know, things do conveniently slip through the cracks.

It's early yet to say whether anyone's going to get busted for what's going on in those specific foundations. It's well known in the USA that wealthy crooks can exploit the courts and the political system, but the IRS will always get theirs in the end.
 
There's a perfectly legal way to make money by being charitable, which

If nothing illegal is going on, are you not always giving more than what you get in tax credit, always loosing and never making money by giving to charity ?
 
If nothing illegal is going on, are you not always giving more than what you get in tax credit, always loosing and never making money by giving to charity ?

As opposed to losing a large chunk of that money to taxes, or having to deal with heavy taxes on whatever you decide to do with it (capital gains, gift to family, etc.) and then whatever's left when you die being taxed heavily in the estate transfer.

"Make money" was poor phrasing on my part. "Mitigate your losses" is a better way to put it. Charitable giving allows the mega-wealthy to lose less money, while gaining recognition and influence, and supporting whatever it is that they care about.

Trying to sneak a kickback into the process is just incredibly dumb, especially when the gift is being made to a public agency which WILL be audited. Yashin's only real defense in that situation was that he was flat-out ignorant and just going along with what this "independent fundraiser" was telling him to do. The independent fundraiser frankly should probably have gone to jail, considering the cut he took for setting up a blatantly illegal deal.



edit: Found another article with more detail on how this mess came to pass.

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/yashin-cancels-1-million-nac-gift/

Chairwoman Jean Riley maintained the arts centre's board of directors had not been aware of the side deals. Those extra twists were negotiated by its former director, John Cripton, who is currently locked in a bitter war of words with the NAC after resigning last October in a disagreement over budgets. Kim McCuaig, the NAC's former marketing director, was apparently the only other executive privy to the deal - and he was fired in December. Only after Elaine Calder, Cripton's replacement, became aware of the NAC's obligations was the board informed. Calder says when she asked McCuaig about the arrangement, he told her the Yashin money flow would stop if the NAC did not comply. Calder says she was then contacted in December by Mark Gandler, Yashin's New York City-based agent, who asked her to help draft an invoice for $85,000 - though no services had been provided or requested.

Remarkably, even those burned by the scandal tried to spare Yashin from blame. The NAC's Riley suggested the player "had little understanding of the arrangement," and expressed "genuine sorrow for an extremely capable young man." Promoter Reid, lamenting what the soured deal would do to his image, told Maclean's: "Yashin wasn't even at the table during the talks. Hockey agents often make deals that have bonuses for the parents of players, and you definitely can't blame an agent for getting the most he can."

So again, the real defense for Yashin lies simply in the possibility that this malarkey was all arranged without his knowledge, and being a hockey player rather than a nonprofit consultant he simply went along with what he thought was a legitimate deal.


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Google is my friend. Apparently Pat Reid, who was cast as a "nonprofit consultant" in this scheme, is in fact a sports promoter who had absolutely no business acting as the agent for a deal of this nature.

Here's an article about how Reid went on to scam other public entities in the sports/hockey world, including more misrepresentations of his qualifications and job titles. He's now the executive director of the commission that oversees fighting sports in Edmonton (after scamming his way into that position) and as of very recently it appears he may have been directly responsible for the death of a participant due to his lack of attention to rule enforcement.

Selections of the book "Art and Politics: The History of the National Arts Centre" are available online. Enough is viewable to establish that Cripton's reputation rested very heavily on his ability to find "innovative" income streams for the NAC, and that he was very much a promotional thinker. It's also quite clear that NAC staff had no clue what they were doing in setting up the Yashin gift (it mentions they weren't sure how to provide the tax receipt) and that even the signing of documents was bungled. There was no final copy on file, no indication that anyone had witnessed the signing, not even a signature from the Yashins on the copies that were able to be found. Tellingly, the arrangement we have been discussing all along was different than Reid's vision which would have had Yashin's mother acting as a salaried director of the NAC.

Kim McCuaig, the NAC marketing director, was apparently the director of development at Carleton prior to taking the NAC job. He is still listed on LinkedIn as a "fundraising consultant". Virtually nothing else exists about him online which is dated any later than the Yashin affair, so it's hard to say exactly what his story is. That said, there is really no excuse for anyone who has acted as a nonprofit development officer to fall into a situation like this one. It's also extremely concerning that someone who has the job title of "marketing director" would be coordinating charitable gifts in the first place... that leads to precisely the sort of thing that happened with Yashin, where McCuaig evidently had his eye on a promotional bonanza at the cost of making sure that the deal was actually legal. The end result was a high-profile disaster for the institution and probably the reason that he apparently has not done anything similar since.

In the final analysis, I believe the root issue was a known confidence man (Reid) who had no business acting as a charitable advisor, taking advantage of a young wealthy man (Yashin) and an agent who apparently had no idea how any of this worked (Mark Gandler) to set up a poorly-conceived deal with an agency led by a director who probably didn't know any better (Cripton) because he was being advised by a marketing director who fancied himself a fundraiser but didn't have industry-standard competence in that area (McCuaig). The result of all this being that Yashin, who had the least financial expertise out of any of these people, found himself and his parents embroiled in a potential criminal activity involving a foreign government.

In THAT respect, yes, it seems that Yashin got the shaft here.
 
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tarheel, if you are talking about the parent-hiring as a literal and in-writing condition of the gift (which, do we know that it was?), well yeah of course. but those are the kinds of "agreements" that you don't make in writing of course, or that sometimes even directly asked for. so what is there to audit?

as for my point, i think you misunderstand. i'm only saying that when you cut a big cheque getting your family members real or phony jobs is not uncommon. if you don't believe me, you can go to your local museum and see if you can match up some of the last names on its board of directors to ones in its staff directory.

but anyway, alexei yashin eh? hell of a wrist shot.
 
tarheel, if you are talking about the parent-hiring as a literal and in-writing condition of the gift (which, do we know that it was?), well yeah of course. but those are the kinds of "agreements" that you don't make in writing of course, or that sometimes even directly asked for. so what is there to audit?

But it WAS a literal, in-writing condition of this gift. It was THAT crazy!

Per the above, after digging hard on the subject it really looks like Yashin was screwed over by a combination of ignorance and incompetence on the part of his own agent and the NAC staff, who should absolutely have known better than to go along with any of this. Pat Reid appears to be the straw that stirred the drink, the sort of confidence man who tends to flitter around the sports world taking advantage of opportunities to self-promote and score a quick buck. It looks like Reid's original plan may have been carefully constructed so as to be technically legal, but someone got sloppy mid-stream. Whether it was Reid or the NAC is impossible to say, largely because the NAC's record keeping was so poor.

In any case, Reid is one of those people whose name needs to be Google-cached as often as possible next to the words "criminal" and "fraud".
 
Russia was in bad shape in 1999. Bad, bad shape. I can't blame a guy who's trying to look out for a pair of parents who were likely in dire straits...maybe even physical danger. Around that time, German Titov's brother was thrown off a roof when he wouldn't pay protection money to mobsters in Moscow (tried to find an article, but apparently he shares a name with a famous Cosmonaut, who dominates the search results). The "stay in Canada all year" work Visa was probably more important than the actual job.

It would be like if a 2017 baseball player from Venezuela wanted the Mets to get his parents out of Caracas before he agreed to talk deal with them. I don't know that MLB would allow that, but I'd certainly try to arrange something like that, were I in his position.
 
tarheel, if you are talking about the parent-hiring as a literal and in-writing condition of the gift (which, do we know that it was?), well yeah of course. but those are the kinds of "agreements" that you don't make in writing of course, or that sometimes even directly asked for. so what is there to audit?

as for my point, i think you misunderstand. i'm only saying that when you cut a big cheque getting your family members real or phony jobs is not uncommon. if you don't believe me, you can go to your local museum and see if you can match up some of the last names on its board of directors to ones in its staff directory.

but anyway, alexei yashin eh? hell of a wrist shot.

Didn't the Rangers give an AHL contract to Wayne Gretzky's brother to entice him to sign?
 
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As opposed to losing a large chunk of that money to taxes, or having to deal with heavy taxes on whatever you decide to do with it (capital gains, gift to family, etc.) and then whatever's left when you die being taxed heavily in the estate transfer.

"Make money" was poor phrasing on my part. "Mitigate your losses" is a better way to put it. Charitable giving allows the mega-wealthy to lose less money, while gaining recognition and influence, and supporting whatever it is that they care about.

Different, less severe estate tax laws in Canada.

Also in the early 1940s Canadian tax laws changed. Previously the money donated to a private foundation was not subject to a 90% requirement. So some of the rich would simply control and grow the money within the foundation. Effectively another business.

Two other factors - having control of your tax liability. Whatever taxes are paid to a government leave the hands of the citizen with no control as to their usage. A rich people prefer controlling the destination of their money. A foundation or donation to a community, healt or interest non-profit does this since usage is subject to full audits contrary to government usage of tax dollars.

Legacy factor. Decades or even centuries after their death the names of donors still appear on public institutions that they helped grow. Goverment forgets the contribution before the cheque is stamped for deposit.
 
If Yashin's character matched his talent he'd be in the Hall of Fame. It didn't though.

Again, his 'lack of character' didn't extend to his play on the ice.

The guy was not a lazy floater. When the puck dropped, he put in a solid effort and was a responsible two-way player. He wasn't Alexei Kovalev.

What his 'character' did affect was his career totals - without the holdouts and if he sticks around until he's 35 in the NHL instead of leaving for Russia, maybe he touches 1000 points instead of finishing with 781.
 
IMO, he was a below average two-way player. But in his time in Ottawa, he was basically a one-man offensive weapon. Unlike Kovalev, it's hard to say that he wasn't getting the most out of his abilities. He may have one-dimensional, but he wasn't floating.
 
A good, at his peak top ten NHL player that played for terrible franchises, never quite understood the hate that he receives. Sundin is a good comparison I think, or in a bit different sense Kariya too.
 
He lacks both of the things that really distinguish Sundin (a spectacular international resume and his year in year out consistency+longevity) though.
 
There seems to be a lot of disagreement in this thread about Yashin's overall, two-way game, and a lot of that can probably be attributed to the fact that, as a number-one centre, he was necessarily expected to be pretty good at going head to head with excellent players. So I made a list of the 27 players I perceived to be their franchise's top centreman over the period when Yashin was at his best*.

Six of them made better #1 centres, period:
Joe Sakic, Mike Modano, Steve Yzerman, Ron Francis, Eric Lindros, Mats Sundin

Five more of them weren't necessarily better than Yashin, but offered a lot on the defensive side:
Mike Ricci, Steve Rucchin, Mike Peca, Bobby Holik, Rob Niedermayer

And these six have nothing over Yashin, defensively or otherwise:
Cory Stillman, Cliff Ronning, Robert Reichel, Martin Straka, Jozef Stumpel, Darcy Tucker

So where Yashin sat as a #1 centre and an all-around player, depends on where he sat among these nine centres:
Jason Allison
Alexei Zhamnov
Doug Weight
Saku Koivu
(old) Wayne Gretzky
(post-injury) Jeremy Roenick
Pierre Turgeon
Mark Messier (Canucks edition)
(old) Adam Oates

How does he look in that group?


*Mostly 1998 and 1999, but taking in other adjacent years for context. Of course, this excludes great players like Forsberg and Fedorov, and includes some very debateable players from teams who either didn't have good centres, or had a committee of decent ones. But the point is, this is a cross-section of what all the teams had available to throw out to eat big minutes.
 
I'd say he better than guys like Zhamnov and Koivu... at his best anyway.

I would place him slightly above Weight, Oates and Roenick if we're talking about '98-'01 Yashin. Roenick himself had three very strong seasons from '99-'01 after his play had fallen since about '94. Weight had a very good 2001 season. Yashin could score better than Weight and old Oates.

Messier really dropped off after 1997. He definitely wasn't better than Yashin after signing with the Canucks. I'm not sure I want to compare end-of-career Gretzky to Yashin since Wayne retired after '99. In his last season, he wasn't wasn't as good as Yashin was in his career season. In 1998, I'd say he was clearly still better. He finished in the top five for scoring and fifth in Hart voting in '98.

I think Allison is a good comparison. Allison was really becoming a force until injuries started derailing his career. He actually had 33 and 36 goal seasons in '01 and '98 respectively. He was about the same size and also wasn't known for being all that fast. Turgeon is another good comparable. If we're just talking about the period from '98-'01, then yes, you can put Yashin on Sundin's level as well, I'd say. Sundin was definitely the superior period across the longer dead puck era and had a much career overall, but there was a three or four year period during which Yashin was on his level. I'd say Yashin was better than Francis from '98-'01.


So he was right there among the League's best C's during his peak period. He was below Sakic, Lindros, Modano and Yzerman (mostly due to Yzerman's intangibles and leadership) and Forsberg, but after those guys, he was right there in the pecking order. He was easily a top 6-8 centre during that time.


He wasn't at his peak level very long, however. From '97-'04 (dead puck era), I'd Sakic, Forsberg, Yzerman, Fedorov, Modano, Lindros and Sundin were all better and he was more or less on par with Dougie Weight, Roenick, Turgeon and Allison and in that 8-12 range among centres. I'd put him ahead of '97-'04 Francis but not '95-'04 Francis.
 
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Five more of them weren't necessarily better than Yashin, but offered a lot on the defensive side:
Mike Ricci, Steve Rucchin, Mike Peca, Bobby Holik, Rob Niedermayer
Yes, they were better. If you wanted to win.

So where Yashin sat as a #1 centre and an all-around player, depends on where he sat among these nine centres:
Jason Allison
Alexei Zhamnov
Doug Weight
Saku Koivu
(old) Wayne Gretzky
(post-injury) Jeremy Roenick
Pierre Turgeon
Mark Messier (Canucks edition)
(old) Adam Oates

How does he look in that group?
:huh: "Old Gretzky" was the NHL leader in assists in two of his last three seasons and the rags' top scorer his last season. It's laughable that you think any GM in his right mind would compare Gretzky at his oldest with Yashin at his, er, "best".

Oates is equally absurd! There's no universe in which Yashin>Oates.

There are few on that list of yours I'd Yashin over: Allison was slow, and Zhamnov makes sense. That's about it.

(I haven't read this thread closely and might not be back because the thread title itself gives me a stomachache. The guy scored one mere assist in his last two postseasons in Ottawa, booed out of town, then scored a mere assist in his last two postseasons on Long island, booed out of town. **** him.)
 

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