How good is Marco Rossi?

[BagHead]

No he did not, he just took faceoffs.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/sport...-marchessault-handles-faceoff-duties-1864053/

Really wouldn't hurt to do some research before spouting nonsense.

Ok cool, then he's one that doesn't match the answer to the question. I'm trying to help answer a question that I said "I'm not sure how best to search for this" about, not to be told "wouldn't hurt to do some research".

Feel free to help out, since you're so eager to get things right here, and are better equipped to do so. I'm also curious what the answer to his question is.

 

[tmg]

Mikael Granlund?

I saw this and was gonna reply ‘I think he’ll be higher than that, maybe Brendan Morrison’. Then I looked at the stat line for both and they’re not as different as I thought. They each topped out at 70 give or take a point and had a few seasons at or above 60.

 

[Shroud of Orrin]

I’m thinking there’s more Brayden Point here than people realize. Yea, he’s 5’11” and not a perfect candidate by comparison but it’s more the underdog status Point had before becoming a star in the right situation. Kuch and Kap have a lot of similarities and so do Marco and Point.

 

[MK9]

He'll top out as a slightly better 06-07 Pierre-Marc Bouchard (better at goal scoring)

He's 5'9. You can't project much higher than that. If anything, you need to be realistic about his health past 32-33 given the rigours of the NHL.

Yeah. That ain't it. Re-think this and try again.

 

[57special]

PMB was a very talented player who's career was cut short by concussion issues. Still remember when Bfyuglien hit him from behind, driving his face right into the ledge of the rear boards where it met the glass up in WPG. Was never really the same after that.
It's not an insult to Rossi to compare him to PMB, who played in a lower scoring, rougher, era. Just hope that he lasts longer.

 

[BagHead]

PMB was a very talented player who's career was cut short by concussion issues. Still remember when Bfyuglien hit him from behind, driving his face right into the ledge of the rear boards where it met the glass up in WPG. Was never really the same after that.
It's not an insult to Rossi to compare him to PMB, who played in a lower scoring, rougher, era. Just hope that he lasts longer.

He seems to be built sturdier than Pierre-Marc Bouchard was. PMB was pure finesse (how many times did he spin just inside the bline line? I lost count.), where Rossi is a bit of a fire-hydrant grinder with skill. He reminds me more of Parise than he reminds me of PMB, though both and neither are great comparables in my opinion. Rossi has aspects of both players, but is kind of his own unique blend.

I can see him topping out at 70 points, but I can also see him topping out at 80, and I think both of those are reasonable estimates for where he might end up.

On a side note, almost two decades ago I got into an argument on the old Wild forums with @TaLoN about PMB. I said he's going to be a 60 point player, and TaLoN said I was out to lunch and he'd develop into an 80 point player. I was right by happenstance, but I suspect TaLoN might have been right barring injuries. Now I'm on the other side when it comes to arguing for Rossi's point totals. Funny little world.

 

[ESH]

The year he played a good bit of center is the year he put up 75 points. I don't make up the stats, I just recite them.

He took faceoffs, but he wasn’t the center. He was basically stapled to William Karlsson’s wing that whole year.

https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com...&games=2017-2018:R:99&period=ALL&situation=EV

Edit: I see someone else already mentioned this

 

[Wasted Talent]

I saw this and was gonna reply ‘I think he’ll be higher than that, maybe Brendan Morrison’. Then I looked at the stat line for both and they’re not as different as I thought. They each topped out at 70 give or take a point and had a few seasons at or above 60.

Granlund didn't really reach those levels of offence until he was moved to wing.

I know Granlund has a couple of 60+ point seasons as a center on other teams, but Rossi is already a better center than Granlund was in Minnesota.

 

[BagHead]

He took faceoffs, but he wasn’t the center. He was basically stapled to William Karlsson’s wing that whole year.

https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com...&games=2017-2018:R:99&period=ALL&situation=EV

Thanks, that statistical oddity was given context by an earlier post, but I appreciate the clarity.

 

[TaLoN]

He seems to be built sturdier than Pierre-Marc Bouchard was. PMB was pure finesse (how many times did he spin just inside the bline line? I lost count.), where Rossi is a bit of a fire-hydrant grinder with skill. He reminds me more of Parise than he reminds me of PMB, though both and neither are great comparables in my opinion. Rossi has aspects of both players, but is kind of his own unique blend.

I can see him topping out at 70 points, but I can also see him topping out at 80, and I think both of those are reasonable estimates for where he might end up.

On a side note, almost two decades ago I got into an argument on the old Wild forums with @TaLoN about PMB. I said he's going to be a 60 point player, and TaLoN said I was out to lunch and he'd develop into an 80 point player. I was right by happenstance, but I suspect TaLoN might have been right barring injuries. Now I'm on the other side when it comes to arguing for Rossi's point totals. Funny little world.

I think PMB was the biggest barrier for PMB. He had the skills to be an 80pt player, but not the will. He limited himself to the perimeter. Perimeter players will never get those kind of point totals.

That's why Granlund became a better player and Rossi will be a better player. The willingness to get to the dirty areas.

 

[ESH]

Legitimate question for the group...who was the last center 5'9" (or under) to score over 80 pts in the NHL?

I really like Rossi and think he may have a few seasons over 80 pts. I'm just wondering about some recent(ish) examples of other centers his size who've done it already.

Thanks, that statistical oddity was given context by an earlier post, but I appreciate the clarity.

The last center 5'9 or under to score 80+ points in the NHL was Derek Roy in 07-08. Danny Briere has the highest total from a center that short since 05-06 with 95 points. Tyler Johnson had 72 points in 14-15, Yanni Gourde had 64 in 17-18 (but I think he played a decent bit at wing that year), David Desharnais had 60 in 11-12. That's about it for top-6 NHL centers at that height (since 05-06).

https://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?r...=height,lte,69&sort=points&page=0&pageSize=50

It's possible that I missed someone, because NHL has some questionable position listings, but I can't think of any other notable guys in recent years.

 

[BagHead]

The last center 5'9 or under to score 80+ points in the NHL was Derek Roy in 07-08. Danny Briere has the highest total from a center that short since 05-06 with 95 points. Tyler Johnson had 72 points in 14-15, Yanni Gourde had 64 in 17-18 (but I think he played a decent bit at wing that year), David Desharnais had 60 in 11-12. That's about it for top-6 NHL centers at that height (since 05-06).

https://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?r...=height,lte,69&sort=points&page=0&pageSize=50

It's possible that I missed someone, because NHL has some questionable position listings, but I can't think of any other notable guys in recent years.

Awesome, thank you! I did not know NHL.com had a height filter. Might be something to keep in my back pocket.

 

[Jbcraig1883]

I think PMB was the biggest barrier for PMB. He had the skills to be an 80pt player, but not the will. He limited himself to the perimeter. Perimeter players will never get those kind of point totals.

That's why Granlund became a better player and Rossi will be a better player. The willingness to get to the dirty areas.

Agree 100%. PMB was one of my favorites of the old teams - he was my first jersey - but he fell off fast and, as you said, lacked the will. My memory fails me and I am not sure if it was the concussions or one hit, but soon as he just started doing spin moves and peeling off after entering the zone, it was the beginning of the end.

Anywho, big fan of Rossi. He's just gotten better and better this year and has been far more consistent than Boldy IMO. Rossi brings it every night and is gritty.

 

[NyQuil]

Definitely rooting for him given his background in Ottawa and adversity.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Praying with Kaprizov, PPG should be easy for him.

 

[Luceni]

I really like that Danny Briere comparison. Rossi could have a similar carreer to him
Hopefully without imjuries.

If u re-draft his entry draftclass, where would you pick him. I think he is clearly top5 - no?

 

[TaLoN]

Praying with Kaprizov, PPG should be easy for him.

He hasn't played with Kap for almost a month (Kap is injured), and his points pace has only increased since then.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

He hasn't played with Kap for almost a month (Kap is injured), and his points pace has only increased since then.

I know. But, hopefully, Kap comes back.

 

[TaLoN]

Speak of the devil, Rossi has a goal already tonight

 

[rynryn]

ppg in his last 20 games i think? lol not a 1c

 

[MrRuin]

Rossi is the type of player that will always elevate the play of the guys around him. He is not so much a one man show but rather all about support, digging up pucks and distributing them. It’s no coincidence most of his goals have (throughout all of his career) come from around the net. Rebounds, tap ins, loose pucks and redirects. He has a nose for those situations and where the puck might end up. It’s no coincidence that someone like Zuccarello has another excellent year playing on his wing.

Rossi has also been producing on every line he played on. He is good, not flashy at all. Hard to judge if you don’t watch him a lot. One of the reasons for Minnesota‘s surprising season.

 

[Legend123]

Very good

He's the guy I was hoping the Habs would draft before they went on a playoff run because of covid

Instead of guhle

 

[Jetcetera]

A bottom half of the league 1C

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

I’m thinking there’s more Brayden Point here than people realize. Yea, he’s 5’11” and not a perfect candidate by comparison but it’s more the underdog status Point had before becoming a star in the right situation. Kuch and Kap have a lot of similarities and so do Marco and Point.

To be fair, Point is 5'11" in lifts

 

[TommyDangles]

40ish-60ish point C

Very high shooting percentage this year at 19.2%

Not a 1C. More of a solid 2nd line / elite 3rd liner.