How does this team compare now to the best Hank teams?
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IronBloodedLion
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Not as deep, but they didn’t have game breakers like Zibanejad and Panarin, and especially not a defenseman like Fox.
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I'll take this year's Kreider, thats for sure 
Tob
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12-15ish, the team had finished products in all the right places. We just didn't have the top end talent. I thought for depth we were okay in some playoff runs. This is a much more talented team but a huge amount of raw talent and lack of cohesion. We practically rode Brassard Pouliot and Zucc to the finals. Defensively I thought 12-14 is better than this moment with prime Staal, Girardi, McDonagh, and whoever else, Klein etc. All finished products. Playoffs is more about the team on the ice vs on paper and it feels like Gallant has a lot of work to do in the final 20 games to turn them into a more polished product. We don't have much consistency from a lot of players with a lot of talent right now. If we can find that when everyone is healthy then maybe.
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It's not even close.
Talent wise, this squad is light years ahead of them.
Talent wise, this squad is light years ahead of them.
Talent wise, ahead of them all.
Ability wise? They'd be able to take the 2013 team and that may be it. Maybe the 11-12 team too but that team had balls for days. Had Slats actually made moves for depth players and defensemen instead of praying on Nash at the deadline that year they go to the finals (where... they probably lose to the Kings before actually losing to them 2 years later.) It's hard for me to pick this team over 11-12 because they willed themselves to wins until they ran out of gas.
They're not as good as the 13-14 or 14-15 teams but probably play those teams close in a losing effort because thats what those teams liked to do.
Ability wise? They'd be able to take the 2013 team and that may be it. Maybe the 11-12 team too but that team had balls for days. Had Slats actually made moves for depth players and defensemen instead of praying on Nash at the deadline that year they go to the finals (where... they probably lose to the Kings before actually losing to them 2 years later.) It's hard for me to pick this team over 11-12 because they willed themselves to wins until they ran out of gas.
They're not as good as the 13-14 or 14-15 teams but probably play those teams close in a losing effort because thats what those teams liked to do.
I think the 13-14 team would beat this team pretty handily in a seven game series. Hagelin, Boyle, Dom Moore, Dosett... That team had soooo much speed to burn. They were the 16-17 penguins without crosby and malkin but with Lundqvist instead.
I think this year's team is right there post-deadline, but it'll come down to how everything fits together. We don't know playoff Igor or Fox yet. We don't know how good Laf and Kakko and Chyil and Miller will be playing at game 82. (Ask me again after the parade lol)
I think this year's team is right there post-deadline, but it'll come down to how everything fits together. We don't know playoff Igor or Fox yet. We don't know how good Laf and Kakko and Chyil and Miller will be playing at game 82. (Ask me again after the parade lol)
HockeyBasedNYC
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Igor vs Henrik In a Game 7.
Would love to see that shit
Would love to see that shit
NickyFotiu
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If you go by individual scoring stats 2022 looks better but that 2014 team felt and looked a lot better. Sometimes the best team is not the best individual players. Then again Zooks and JT are now some of the leagues top scorers. That 2014 team was special. Do you remember the heart attacks those playoff games gave us. I had to stop watching for a few minutes lol
FireGerardGallant
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Think most would agree in saying their top end talent are way better then all of Hanks teams, but the depth of 13-14 and 14-15 teams were way better then the current team. However, after the moves made today I do think its a lot closer then it seems
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But this team has willed themselves to wins all season this year. They're tied for the league lead in comeback wins. Why aren't they getting credit for that like the 11-12 team? If your answer is because that 11-12 team did it in the playoffs, well the playoffs haven't started yet this season.
I don't think they did it in similar ways. Both teams got the "unsustainable" tag but if anything, what that team was doing was a bit more sustainable.
the 11-12 team literally outworked their opponents to victory. It didn't always look pretty but it was effective. It was very much their identity.
I don't think this team has that same motor. They don't have the same structure and they certainly haven't been built to play that way (with the moves today+the offseason, theres more direction towards how they want to play. It won't be Torts hockey but theres a vision thats coming into focus.) This team has heart and they've been pretty good when they need to be, but they've been in control FAR less than that team was. It hasn't really mattered who the opponent has been, they've rarely dictated the play this season (yet sometimes it comes out and they shit on teams... Even really good teams. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me because its there, but its been there like 20% of the time.)
But that was a much more veteran laden team. This group is still collectively pretty young and finding their way I guess.
Igor is having a better season than Hank ever did though which is saying a lot.
I know exactly what you mean about style.
I think the top lines have two differing styles. Panarin is all about controlling the play with multiple paces. He slows the pace down so that when he speeds up its more intense.
Mika's line wants to burn you with speed and strength and will take the puck away and beat you to everything.
E-Train
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Good thread. I’d like to see the new version of this team together for a while before commenting but there’s a lot of potential here.
Hank and McD were great but now there’s ultra elite Panarin and 40 goal scorer Kreider up front. Nice to have a ppg #1 center now too.
Hank and McD were great but now there’s ultra elite Panarin and 40 goal scorer Kreider up front. Nice to have a ppg #1 center now too.
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I think the 14-15 team was our best with Hank. The team was fresh off the cup final loss and playing with real swagger all year. If Zucc didn't get hurt that year, I think we beat Tampa and maybe even win it all.
Is this team better? Not yet. It has more talent, but some of that talent has yet to mature. And we have some good depth now, but the various pieces need time to gel.
Is this team better? Not yet. It has more talent, but some of that talent has yet to mature. And we have some good depth now, but the various pieces need time to gel.
McRanger92
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These guys have had something to prove since the Wilson Incident. Woke up a sleeping giant. Reminds me of the Gaborik/Carcillo thing that caused the early Hank teams to grow some balls
McRanger92
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The 14-15 team was stacked and the best one of the era and the odds on favorite until injury luck killed them in the playoffs. Zucc KO’d and McD/G/Staal playing on 3 combined legs. Yandle had a shoulder injury as well IIRC. I’m hyped for this squad to get back to the heights those teams gave us
Brutananadilewski
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I still think that 2012 team had the better shot at the Cup, even though we lost to the debbies. Torts heavily relying on only 5D in the playoffs is what caused a slow death for us.
I still remember that Game 5 against them, it's like midway through the game, the team collectively just stopped playing.
I still remember that Game 5 against them, it's like midway through the game, the team collectively just stopped playing.
McRanger92
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Sather dropped the ball in 2012 by not adding a defenseman . I’ll never forget Bickel playing 5 minutes in a 3OT game. The top 4 was gassed and no match for the devils heavy forecheck
Brutananadilewski
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I don't know how I edited my post that I removed a key portion of it, but I'll add to what you said about Sather.
Us losing Sauer and Sather just chomping on his cigars did us in.
McRanger92
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Sauer would’ve been a core piece through those years if not for the head injuries. Sad what if
pld459666
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What i remember distinctly about those older teams is that more often than not, those teams came out ready to play and alot of times taking early leads which in my opinion changes the complex of a game.
This team today should watch tapes and take notes
This team today should watch tapes and take notes
Fitzy
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Most of what I would have said has been said regarding depth experience and top end elite offensive talent.
What this team is missing is experience and 4 solid lines to roll. Drury just solved one of those two issues. Now we go get that essential postseason grind experience. We are going to learn a lot about a lot of players in the postseason.
What this team is missing is experience and 4 solid lines to roll. Drury just solved one of those two issues. Now we go get that essential postseason grind experience. We are going to learn a lot about a lot of players in the postseason.
I felt like that team for all their talent didn't score enough in the playoffs. Scored 2-1 I believe in every game against the Pens. Also if this team had Cam Talbot we'd finish with more points than that team. As is we're almost on pace for that team's point totals.
