How do you fix the Wings?

[stillwater]

My problem with Compher is that he looked god awful this season until Trouba was dealt to Anaheim.

I'll bite. Why would the Trouba trade invigorate Compher?

 

[FMichael]

I really don't understand the hostility towards Compher. Dude has averaged 50 points the last two seasons, battles hard and plays a responsible game.

I'm sure he would be the first one to tell you that November was an ugly month. Before that he started with a respectable 5 points in 8 games and now has 9 points in his last 10 and 12 in his last 15. Shit, if he grabbed 2 more assists hed be on pace for another 50 point season. On his career as a red wing he's put up 67 points in 113 games good for a 47 point pace/82 games.

His 119 points over the last 2.5 seasons slot him in around the 50-60 most productive center (depends who you count as a center, guys like RNH/Guntzel, etc are listed as centers).

His 5.1M ranks 75th for cap him. So you are getting the 58th most productive center at the 75 highest cap hit (for the position).

He is far from the negative value asset many of you try to paint him as.

As with pretty much everything that has gone to shit - it’s the Lalonde factor.

Same could be said about Copp - prior to Detroit he put up reasonable points.

 

[Snuggs]

I think Pettersson's days in Vancouver are numbered, though I can see an offseason move moreso thsn in-season..

Anybody who'd trade for him would need to be sure he'd actually want to play there.

Is their any palatable pckg for both teams we could offer?

Compher
Rasmussen
Danielson
2026 1st

If a deal could be made, would we want him? 11m is a huge cap commitment to a guy who has shown inconsistent work ethic (or at least appears that way)

Thoughts?

Red Wings get: F Elias Pettersson
Sabers get: F Marco Kasper, LHD Albert Johansson, F Vladimir Tarasenko, Red Wings 1st round pick.
Canucks get: F Dylan Cozens and G Cam Talbot.

I'd try that. I would give up even more though, that's just me personally. Some people act like the guy isn't even good on here.

 

[Winger98]

I'll bite. Why would the Trouba trade invigorate Compher?

I think he was the one who refused a deal to NYR, and he let it mess with his head until Trouba was dealt.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

Hate saying this but since kasper has the least amount of ice time tonight just send him down. We shouldn'g let him rot on the 4th line

Call up elmer

 

[stillwater]

I think he was the one who refused a deal to NYR, and he let it mess with his head until Trouba was dealt.

Pretty unlikely given it was Trouba who vetoed the deal to Detroit. Also first time I've ever heard that Compher was going to NYR in that scenario. NYR just wanted to move Trouba's contract as a salary dump essentially

 

[lilidk]

4 points away from wild card

 

[norrisnick]

Pretty unlikely given it was Trouba who vetoed the deal to Detroit. Also first time I've ever heard that Compher was going to NYR in that scenario. NYR just wanted to move Trouba's contract as a salary dump essentially

Doesn't sound like Trouba was ever asked to waive for Detroit.

Jacob Trouba, asked on ESPN if he ever considered possibility of playing in Detroit, says: "Obviously I've thought about that. I think somebody should maybe verify with the Red Wings if they were interested. Has anybody taken that route?"

Seems like a "lot of smoke, but no fire" situation with all the chatter about Trouba to the Wings.

 

[Snuggs]

Hate saying this but since kasper has the least amount of ice time tonight just send him down. We shouldn'g let him rot on the 4th line

Call up elmer

Maybe...

Kasper just isn't as good as everyone wanted to hype up. I said he was prime Darren Helm and got laughed at, (It's fine). Idk if you can do this anymore, I think his value is dipping a bit, but I'd of packaged this guy up a long time ago for a legitimate young player in his mid/late 20's either last year or anytime this year. Last year I wanted Lindholm, this year is Pettersson. I'm not saying either brings a cup or whatever but playoffs for sure... and you let things snowball from that.

Red Wings have guys like Danielson/Lombardi who have that same trajectory in the NHL as Kasper(middle line(s) center). Trading for another legitimate 2nd line C or 1b C, gives the Red Wings good options on that 3rd line with one of those two prospects wrestling it away from guys like Copp/Compher.

I don't need Danielson/Lombardi/Kasper all fighting for the same third center spot and still have a weak(er) 2nd line center or have Larkin become so old I'm back to square 1 looking for a 1st line guy.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Maybe...

Kasper just isn't as good as everyone wanted to hype up.

Or maybe, he's doing fine but just isn't getting the production yet.



This and the setup he had the previous game for a Rasmussen breakaway are both high-end plays that probably "deserve" points. He's still got one of the league's worst on-ice sh% though and he's not playing with any high-end scorers.

Bottom line, he's a rookie. He's in very good company among NHL rookies who have struggled initially to get the production going. It's very likely he ends up being in a good company among those who have figured it out, because of how good he's playing and the amount of chances he's creating.

In terms of his overall game (faceoffs, battles, defense, puck transition etc.) he is, for my money, better as a rookie than any forward we've brought up in the last 15+ years.

 

[Snuggs]

I sincerely do hope you are right.

Last sentence is a bit much but who cares I hope you're still right on. I'm not saying he can't get better, kids a rookie, I get it, I do wonder how much better though. Especially the way coaches have been using him. Idk how many scoring opportunities and offensive development he'll get on a 4th line.

Idk, hot take in some minds but I would trade him for a quality player because I like Danielson/Lombardi just as much.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

Maybe...

Kasper just isn't as good as everyone wanted to hype up. I said he was prime Darren Helm and got laughed at, (It's fine). Idk if you can do this anymore, I think his value is dipping a bit, but I'd of packaged this guy up a long time ago for a legitimate young player in his mid/late 20's either last year or anytime this year. Last year I wanted Lindholm, this year is Pettersson. I'm not saying either brings a cup or whatever but playoffs for sure... and you let things snowball from that.

Red Wings have guys like Danielson/Lombardi who have that same trajectory in the NHL as Kasper(middle line(s) center). Trading for another legitimate 2nd line C or 1b C, gives the Red Wings good options on that 3rd line with one of those two prospects wrestling it away from guys like Copp/Compher.

I don't need Danielson/Lombardi/Kasper all fighting for the same third center spot and still have a weak(er) 2nd line center or have Larkin become so old I'm back to square 1 looking for a 1st line guy.

I'm not even in the slightest worried about kasper. Hes better than ppl think. Some rookies just struggle to put up pts 1st season

You mentioned Larkin.... this is why the best case scenario would have been to tank this year and bounce back the following year like nj did. Larkin will be what 29? Say the rookie we take would be ready to be dominate in 3-4 years that would make larkin 33 ish already and we would have had the kid to take over

That moment will be here sooner than ppl want. Be nice to have a guy in the system capable of #1 line c duties. Maybe we already have 1 and we dont know it but I doubt it

 

[PelagicJoe]

I know it's still early, but I think putting in a coach with hair has been the first step towards improvement so far. We look a little more structured. Players don't look as lost. We hit a little bit more. We are shooting more. I like what I see so far.

 

[19 for president]

I sincerely do hope you are right.

Last sentence is a bit much but who cares I hope you're still right on. I'm not saying he can't get better, kids a rookie, I get it, I do wonder how much better though. Especially the way coaches have been using him. Idk how many scoring opportunities and offensive development he'll get on a 4th line.

Idk, hot take in some minds but I would trade him for a quality player because I like Danielson/Lombardi just as much.

I really like Kasper a lot and I think his offensive game will come, but he might be due a little extra seasoning in GR. Playing center in the NHL is really hard and its why you rarely see rookies do it. If he were playing wing and not putting up points I'd be more concerned. If he is going to remain on the 4th line long term he should go to GR but I think Todd is figuring stuff out. 10 games either way won't kill him.

With that said if someone offered us a young legit top 1/2 C for Kasper we'd be crazy not to make a deal. Kasper may get there (2C) but it is not a given. The same could be said really for any of our forward prospects. I like Ammo, Buch, Danielson, Kasper, and MBN but none of them are guaranteed top 6 guys at an NHL level.

I think the issue is that it would likely take a lot more than Kasper + 1st to get a legit top 6 young center back. Especially if we are talking about someone like Petey. The Wings are in the tough spot of not having any established young guys besides Seider, Ed, and Ray and they really cannot afford to give up any of them. Not a lot of these teams potentially trading these young stars are looking for picks and prospects as they are competing.

For a top end young center I'd entertain trades for any of our prospects (including ASP) because that is the one position I could see really holding this rebuild back. We have two very legit starter prospects in Augustine/Cossa, a legit #1/#2 dman group in Ed/Seider, a budding superstar winger in Ray. Larkin probably has another 4 solid years, so what we really need is another center.

 

[Pavels Dog]

I sincerely do hope you are right.

Last sentence is a bit much but who cares I hope you're still right on. I'm not saying he can't get better, kids a rookie, I get it, I do wonder how much better though. Especially the way coaches have been using him. Idk how many scoring opportunities and offensive development he'll get on a 4th line.

Idk, hot take in some minds but I would trade him for a quality player because I like Danielson/Lombardi just as much.

He’s been everywhere but the top line this season so it’s not like he’s been stapled to the 4th line. I guess I’m just fundamentally not concerned about Kasper needing to be forcefed offensive minutes to develop. Again, he’s obviously creating offense so it’s not like he’s drowning out there just because the pucks aren’t going in. If he had 4-5 more points (fully realistic with a normal on-ice sh% and the chances he’s created) would anyone entertain the idea of sending him down?
He’s also on pace for most faceoffs taken by a Wings rookie since Datsyuk. Which isn’t nothing.

 

[ricky0034]

Doesn't sound like Trouba was ever asked to waive for Detroit.


Seems like a "lot of smoke, but no fire" situation with all the chatter about Trouba to the Wings.

really goes to show how differently people can interpret these things

because I read that as essentially a sarcastic way of saying "of course I thought about it, they won't f***ing leave me alone, hey Yzerman now that i've been traded will you please stop calling me trying to get me to agree to go there? please?"

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

I really like Kasper a lot and I think his offensive game will come, but he might be due a little extra seasoning in GR. Playing center in the NHL is really hard and its why you rarely see rookies do it. If he were playing wing and not putting up points I'd be more concerned. If he is going to remain on the 4th line long term he should go to GR but I think Todd is figuring stuff out. 10 games either way won't kill him.

With that said if someone offered us a young legit top 1/2 C for Kasper we'd be crazy not to make a deal. Kasper may get there (2C) but it is not a given. The same could be said really for any of our forward prospects. I like Ammo, Buch, Danielson, Kasper, and MBN but none of them are guaranteed top 6 guys at an NHL level.

I think the issue is that it would likely take a lot more than Kasper + 1st to get a legit top 6 young center back. Especially if we are talking about someone like Petey. The Wings are in the tough spot of not having any established young guys besides Seider, Ed, and Ray and they really cannot afford to give up any of them. Not a lot of these teams potentially trading these young stars are looking for picks and prospects as they are competing.

For a top end young center I'd entertain trades for any of our prospects (including ASP) because that is the one position I could see really holding this rebuild back. We have two very legit starter prospects in Augustine/Cossa, a legit #1/#2 dman group in Ed/Seider, a budding superstar winger in Ray. Larkin probably has another 4 solid years, so what we really need is another center.

ASP looks like a legit 65-70pt dman..too me that's equal to a 110pt center. Not sure I'd trade him

 

[izlez]

Or maybe, he's doing fine but just isn't getting the production yet.



This and the setup he had the previous game for a Rasmussen breakaway are both high-end plays that probably "deserve" points. He's still got one of the league's worst on-ice sh% though and he's not playing with any high-end scorers.

Bottom line, he's a rookie. He's in very good company among NHL rookies who have struggled initially to get the production going. It's very likely he ends up being in a good company among those who have figured it out, because of how good he's playing and the amount of chances he's creating.

In terms of his overall game (faceoffs, battles, defense, puck transition etc.) he is, for my money, better as a rookie than any forward we've brought up in the last 15+ years.

I'm not trying to bash Kasper here, but man, that play specifically had me thinking how a Datsyuk/Zetterberg would have found the wide open Motte rather than the more straightforward shot-pass to a tied up Ras

 

[Holden Caufield]

I think Kasper’s raw skills (skating/shot/stick handling), effort and tenacity have showed well. But his game has been a little frantic to start the year and he is missing some of the finer vision plays.


He is a rookie and still adjusting to the league. I think the game will slow down for him. Remember the second half of his season in the AHL last season was night and day compared to the way it started. I’m confident we’ll see the same curve this season.

 

[schuelma24]

I think Kasper’s raw skills (skating/shot/stick handling), effort and tenacity have showed well. But his game has been a little frantic to start the year and he is missing some of the finer vision plays.


He is a rookie and still adjusting to the league. I think the game will slow down for him. Remember the second half of his season in the AHL last season was night and day compared to the way it started. I’m confident we’ll see the same curve this season.

I think that's right. I also agree that he's probably due a few more points ... which wouldn't make his stat line look amazing by any stretch, but it's a good reminder that it's still a very small sample size.

I really hope at some point Todd puts him back with Burgers. I think they could do a lot of damage and had a lot of chemistry last year in GR.

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

Kasper has been snake bit ever since he lost that disallowed goal.

So all of this is Gus' fault.

I still have high hopes for the guy, but seems like every game you get a play or two where he should of been rewarded and wasn't and then you also get a play or two where he made a mistake that goes in our net. Rookie growing pains for sure.

 

[19 for president]

ASP looks like a legit 65-70pt dman..too me that's equal to a 110pt center. Not sure I'd trade him

I would loathe to trade him as well, but we have Ed and Seider already. Those guys are both pairing anchors. So if we can at least find them passable partners we are looking at a solid 40-50 minutes of a game covered per night. Having a 3rd #1 potentially is a probably a luxury in a capped world. Now that guys are getting big pay days on their 1st RFA contracts you are probably looking at 24-30 mil to have all of Ed, Seider, and ASP on 2nd contracts if (and its still a big if) ASP is that 70pt dman at the NHL level.

At center we have Kasper and Danielson. I like both a lot but I don't think either screams #1 center in the NHL to me. We are unlikely to draft one in the range we will be in unless we tank this year. If you can deal for a certainty here and have them fit our window I think it makes more sense than hanging onto a 3rd dman that there is a good chance you won't be able to afford in a few years if he makes it.

Now with that said I'm not talking dealing ASP for guys like Couzens. I'm talking real pie in the sky #1 young center. I doubt we'll find that available where they'd be interested in prospects. Like in a deal for EP I can't see Vancouver looking at him as a major piece when they already have Hronek and QH.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Maybe...

Kasper just isn't as good as everyone wanted to hype up. I said he was prime Darren Helm and got laughed at, (It's fine). Idk if you can do this anymore, I think his value is dipping a bit, but I'd of packaged this guy up a long time ago for a legitimate young player in his mid/late 20's either last year or anytime this year. Last year I wanted Lindholm, this year is Pettersson. I'm not saying either brings a cup or whatever but playoffs for sure... and you let things snowball from that.

Red Wings have guys like Danielson/Lombardi who have that same trajectory in the NHL as Kasper(middle line(s) center). Trading for another legitimate 2nd line C or 1b C, gives the Red Wings good options on that 3rd line with one of those two prospects wrestling it away from guys like Copp/Compher.

I don't need Danielson/Lombardi/Kasper all fighting for the same third center spot and still have a weak(er) 2nd line center or have Larkin become so old I'm back to square 1 looking for a 1st line guy.

Maybe...Kasper is a rookie that isn't getting a ton of icetime or playing with good scorers? Have patience. Not every rookie player is a star from their first season onward.

The dude is only 20 years old. You're declaring him a bust and trade bait already. Have patience.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

ASP looks like a legit 65-70pt dman..too me that's equal to a 110pt center. Not sure I'd trade him

Not far off value-wise.

The way I look at it is, a defenseman's points are usually worth what a forward that scores 20-25 points more per season is both in terms of contract and impact.

This is a simplistic breakdown of what their contract values roughly are (provided the defensemen aren't sieves like Barrie, Ghost and DeAngelo...)
50 point defender = 70 point forward. 7.5 to 8.5 mil aav.
60 point defender = 80 point forward. 8.6 to 9.5 mil aav.
70 point defender = 90 point forward. 9.6 to 10.5 mil aav.
80+ point defender = 100+ point forward. 10.6 to max.

Werenski, Heiskanen, Makar and Hughes are on budget contracts for what they bring in terms of scoring and overall impact.

If ASP starts putting up those numbers then I'm hoping Yzerman can get him at a budget rate. Having Seider, Edvinsson and ASP (if ASP truly becomes our offensive dynamo) costs 25-30 million then I'm all for it.

 

[HoweFan]

We haven’t lost this year. We’re fixed!