Pavels Dog
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There's no real basis for saying that. If we don't "nail" players outside the first round it just makes the process take longer and puts more pressure on filling out the roster via UFA or trade.
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TheClap
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You're going to need to be able to hit on something beyond your first round top 10 picks to build a winning roster.
Snuggs
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I'm not a huge supporter or hater of the draft but you don't see any guys drafted outside of the 1st round in the Red Wings system with NHL potential?
Serious question. Not being a jerk. Or you just mad there aren't guys here now?
Hows that working out for us now??? Its been taking longer and everyone's losing they're minds
Likes of tampa had cirelli gourde point palat killorn etc when they won cups besides the 1sts
Not easy putting in 5 1st rounders and then putting in everyone else from ufa and trades and making them cup contenders
Fortunately I think theres optimism cause I can see a handful of guys from outside the 1st round being important players for us soon
Pavels Dog
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Tampa didn't even draft in the 1st round the year they got Cirelli. Yes, without 1st round picks you need to hit on other picks.
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Cossa and ASP are looking extremely good for being picked #15 and #17. Some of our 2nd rounders are starting to come on pretty strong as well.
Your suggestion that everything is doom and gloom is pretty off, IMO.
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This is not really the case. You don't need 2nd round picks and beyond to develop into anything. You need to be able to trade and sing FAs that play well for you. Florida has Lundell and Kulikov drafted outside the top 10 and playing a legit role on the team. They're not driving the Panthers by any means. 1st OA, 2nd OA guys like Barkov and Ekblad are the picks making a difference and everyone else from Tkachuk to Reinhart to Bobrovsky to Forsling or whomever were FAs and trades. Wings need better professional scouting and a blockbuster trade needs to happen.
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As long as your 1st rounders end up as top end players you can largely build through the 1st round. The issue comes if those guys don't all end up as 1st line/pair/ starter talent. Seider, Ray, Ed absolutely fit the bill as top end talent. Cossa and ASP are also looking like special players. Kasper, MBN, and Danielson are going to have to prove to be at least top 6 if not top 3 for this work.
Stevie has actually done his building in a smart way too in order to maximize his window by drafting his dmen and goalies first. Those positions typically take the longest to develop whereas forwards can often fully contribute in 0-2 seasons post draft.
We really need Kasper or Danielson to develop into at least a Larkin level center and the other to be a true 50/60 point 2nd line guy, because we a probably going to be outside of Larkin's top 3 timeline.
Our lack of center depth in the organization still scares me. If we end up drafting high this year I hope we can address that but it will be really hard to pass on a more sure bet offensive winger to do it.
Now with that said I don't think the Wings post 1st round picks are a total disaster. I see a lot of potential in Buch, Finnie, Augustine, Wally, Lombardi, Mazur, Plante and Ant Jo. There are also some intriguing depth guys Tuo, Buium, Savage, Kiiskenen, Soderblom. I do wish they had gone a little more boom/bust on some picks in early tank drafts. But with boom/bust guys they often take a bit longer to develop and I think we are seeing this with Buch, Wally, Lombardi, Finnie, Mazur. So it doesn't super concern me that these guys aren't in the NHL yet. My issue is when we have 1st round guys, in at least their 2nd year post draft, that are clearly in the top 18 players on the team and aren't being given roster spots. Ed should have been there last year and Kasper should have been there from the start this year.
Stevie has actually done his building in a smart way too in order to maximize his window by drafting his dmen and goalies first. Those positions typically take the longest to develop whereas forwards can often fully contribute in 0-2 seasons post draft.
We really need Kasper or Danielson to develop into at least a Larkin level center and the other to be a true 50/60 point 2nd line guy, because we a probably going to be outside of Larkin's top 3 timeline.
Our lack of center depth in the organization still scares me. If we end up drafting high this year I hope we can address that but it will be really hard to pass on a more sure bet offensive winger to do it.
Now with that said I don't think the Wings post 1st round picks are a total disaster. I see a lot of potential in Buch, Finnie, Augustine, Wally, Lombardi, Mazur, Plante and Ant Jo. There are also some intriguing depth guys Tuo, Buium, Savage, Kiiskenen, Soderblom. I do wish they had gone a little more boom/bust on some picks in early tank drafts. But with boom/bust guys they often take a bit longer to develop and I think we are seeing this with Buch, Wally, Lombardi, Finnie, Mazur. So it doesn't super concern me that these guys aren't in the NHL yet. My issue is when we have 1st round guys, in at least their 2nd year post draft, that are clearly in the top 18 players on the team and aren't being given roster spots. Ed should have been there last year and Kasper should have been there from the start this year.
