I laughed way harder than I should have at this. I almost started belting out the song.
How do you fix the Wings?
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I laughed way harder than I should have at this. I almost started belting out the song.
JediOrderPizza
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Bernier was dope tho.
JohanFranzenstein
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f*** me, how didn't we win the Hughes and Laf lotteries?
OgeeOgelthorpe
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We did, but we didn't.
Someone stated that Detroit was very interested in Stutzle who went 3rd overall in 2020 (though I'm not sure how reputable that source is). Is he an upgrade on Raymond? Last season I would have said yes. Right now? If Raymond can play like he did in the 2nd half of the season for a whole year then very clearly Raymond is ahead of Stutzle.
Hughes over Seider is a tough one because then the defense is looking completely barren on the right side, and this team would have probably forced Ed into the lineup way sooner than he was ready. The team would have more offense but who transitions the puck for them? Who takes the tough defensive matchups?
It's a bit crazy, but Detroit made the absolute best out of the bad situations they were in. The 2nd best player in the 2019 draft and the 2nd best player in the 2020 draft, and both could arguably become the best in their respective years.
The two drafts that bite us in the ass in hindsight are the 2017 and 2018 drafts. 2017 produced Rasmussen who is a 3rd/4th liner when the next 7 forwards off the board are contributing at a 2nd line rate when healthy, AND missing out on Jason Robertson in the 2nd for the safe and steady pick in Gustav Lindstrom. In 2018 Detroit picked Zadina while missing out on Hughes, Dobson and Bouchard in an absolute stinker of a draft class.
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1. Ok, I can see that. Petry gets his money, and a job with the org.
2. It will cost more than a 3rd to dump Holl. On anyone.
3. I don't mind bringing back Perron, say 1 million, 1 year. Kane will get better offers than Detroit can afford. Spong is gone.
4. Stolarz will get a better contract from another team.
5. You will be paying a player for what he was, not what he is going to be.
6. Don't hate it. Depends on cap space.
7. Sure. They both need to be signed.
8. Yes.
9. Would love him, but he can get a better deal elsewhere.
10. I will throw punches if this doesn't happen.
norrisnick
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Re: 5 and 6. Pesce is younger than Vatrano and only 5mo older than Buchnevich and he won't be more expensive than either.
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I'm not even down, and yet you still kick me.
Retire91
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Zadina was one point shy of a career year and is UFA, just saying
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Our Kane replacement has been found!
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As much as I sometimes disagree with Prashanth Iyer, I think he brought up some good points on the recent Winged Wheel Podcast. A huge problem with the team is breakouts. DMen not being able to beat forecheckers with a pass or skating and wingers not being good at receiving those passes and facilitating those breakouts. If we can improve at that then suddenly the puck is out of our zone a lot more, our GA goes down, and our GF stays steady. A full season of Edvinsson and hopefully a healthy Walman should help with that.
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It's why their 5on5 numbers are not so great, they get caught in that cycle you mentioned above and just don't do anything.
They also mentioned that was one of Berggren's weaknesses was the neutral zone and maybe why they are not so big on him. Might have been Bultman, which I do remember being on display when he did have his small call up.
norrisnick
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They're also wrong about that with Berggren. He's one of the better puck transporters we have up front since he's not terrified of the puck on his stick.
The trick is having D that are willing/able to pass him the puck and not having him standing stock still facing the boards at the blue line.
If we institute a system that incorporates passes as opposed to dumps, chips, rim-arounds Berggren and the team can flourish rather than spend 60 minutes chasing all the time.
So if the breakout system is forwards standing along the boards at the blue line, get rid of him. And all other non-plugs.
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And then there’s the asshats over on the Yzerman Overrated thread who haven’t a clue to to how bad this team was when he returned.
Breakouts are a problem for sure, and I havr been saying that for a while. In my opinion, a lot of thid falls on the forwards not getting open for a pass. There's just not much movement at all, making it real easy for our opponents to read the play and put pressure on the receiving player. Some of this should fall on the coach too.
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You mean last season when Pesce had 30 points, vs. Holl 2 years ago on a 27 point pace? What an absolutely massive difference. And the year before that, Pesce on a 32 point pace and Holl had a 30 point pace.
Definitely sounds like we should give Pesce a blank check here, no way that contract could age poorly.
3 years before being UFA
Player A- 20:27 TOI/GP, 0.30 Pts/GP, +45
Player B- 21:22 TOI/GP, 0.32 Pts/GP, +26
Pick out the one we’re desperate to get out of a short-term 3Mil contract, and the one we want to sign long-term for twice that money.
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lilidk
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They need to bring Kronwall to fix our defense. Seems like he had big effect on development of AJo , Edvinsson and Seider
Let's fleece Toronto for Marner..
I know it would piss off some here, but we just had Kane on the roster so…
I’m curious what it would cost and what Yzerman would have to do in order to fit Marner in within the cap and to sign our other FAs.
RED WINGS STOMP
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If Toronto is dealing Marner, it won't be to us. Not unless we grossly overpay. Think Raymond included overpay.
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I'd love Marner but it would gut our futures and likely a huge piece of our core. Toronto isn't trading us Marner without one of Larkin, Mo or Ray and although Marner is a truly elite player... his track record of withering in the playoffs would make me say thanks but no thanks. Bring back Kane to be our puck magician/softy for free.
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Sounds like he's already fixing our defense...
Honestly I 100% doubt that should the TML lose to Boston and changes are made that any team pays full value for Marner..
His NMC, coupled with x 1 year remaining on his 10.5m deal and a potential desire for a culture change in Toronto = a modestly better Debrincat level return for whomever he agrees to waive for...
Snuggs
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I don't think you make the move without a contract extension in place, what's the number? 10 million?
Risk no doubts, I'd slow play it, see who else becomes available first.
TBH I don't think Toronto trades him unless it's TDL.
I think if Toronto loses Keefe is gone and maybe Marner but not at the TDL but this summer...
Marner with his NMC controls things..
