How did Vegas get the reputation of being the establishment?

[Adam da bomb]

The fact they remind us players are a commodity. Keeping the same players and building something as a team makes us think it’s something more then a business. Also weren’t they the first team to have cheerleaders? All of that offends the old school mentality.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Love Vegas , vegas haters are either canadians or mad their GM isn't as good and as cutthroat

 

[waitin425]

They haven't felt pain yet and people believe that is by design. I don't think it is necessarily. They have done a great job in their short time frame.

Pain will come one day though.

 

[TopG]

I love Vegas. Mostly because the internet twats get bent out of shape over them.

 

[byrath]

1) Expansion teams are supposed to suck for a few years
2) Dumb team name
3) Those shiny golden helmets are an atrocity

 

[BMOK33]

They haven't felt pain yet and people believe that is by design. I don't think it is necessarily. They have done a great job in their short time frame.

Pain will come one day though.

Pretty sure losing in the SCF and getting screwed by that call in game 7 a year later was pretty bad

 

[The Duck Knight]

1) Expansion teams are supposed to suck for a few years
2) Dumb team name
3) Those shiny golden helmets are an atrocity

Thankfully they don't wear the gold helmets anymore.

 

[Mobiandi]

Blame the Panthers for giving them Reilly and Marchessault, the Jackets for giving them a 1st and Karlsson, the Ducks for giving them Theodore, and the Wild for giving them Tuch and Haula.

There were no favourable expansion rules. NHL GMs are idiots who don’t know what they have under their own noses. That team was set to be Fleury backstopping a lot of junk before the side deals

 

[HanSolo]

Because people spin conspiracy theories instead of admitting they were wrong when clamoring about how bad Vegas was going to be. The narrative by many on this site was "This will be the worst team of all time" to "They won't keep winning" to "They will never make the playoffs" to "NHL rigged it so they would be good".

This. The "gifted a contender" line is still funny to me all these years later. Even funnier considering the Kraken had the same expansion rules and have had nowhere near the same success.

People will do and say anything but admit that things just came together with good management, personnel hires, and coaching for them right out of the gate.

 

[HanSolo]

least penalties ever taken, not drawn.
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proof

Both happened. A little effort and you could've confirmed this.

Took me 2 minutes to find.

 

[D1az]

Have you seen the team the wild iced their first game?

Had a look and they had essentially one good player compared to 3 for Vegas, so yes worse. But that doesn't change the fact that Vegas had a very bad team on paper but just about everyone of them managed to play at twice or triple their initial levels. Even the good players played better than before.

 

[End on a Hinote]

Same reason this was the case for the Avalanche in the 90's/2000's. Success right out of the gate.

 

[BMOK33]

Blame the Panthers for giving them Reilly and Marchessault, the Jackets for giving them a 1st and Karlsson, the Ducks for giving them Theodore, and the Wild for giving them Tuch and Haula.

There were no favourable expansion rules. NHL GMs are idiots who don’t know what they have under their own noses. That team was set to be Fleury backstopping a lot of junk before the side deals

Its amazing how fast teams adjusted with Seattle. The next expansion draft if there is one I bet the expansion teams end up even worse

 

[MayonnaiseOreo]

Also weren’t they the first team to have cheerleaders? All of that offends the old school mentality.

I remember seeing cheerleaders at Flyers games in the 2000s so I'm going to say no. A quick Google search will tell you they've been around for 25 years.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Meh, the expansion rules were fine. Like 90% of people who now complain about them didn't say anything prior to the expansion draft, only after all the GM's gifted Vegas their good players and they became a good team.

Not for the prior expansion teams that had the dregs of the league to choose from.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

On paper that team was absolutely crap.
Marchessault Neal, and Perron were the only ones looking like good players, while Fleury was seen as a has-been and ended up playing like an absolute star once again, and some Karlsson-guy going from a 6-goal season to almost a 50-goal season, and many other guys doubling or tripling their scoring from previous years.

I'm more talking about the effect on my own team, the decisions we had to make about who to protect, and the NTCs/NMCs being involved even though they were negotiated before expansion was even a thought.

 

[Thallis]

Not for the prior expansion teams that had the dregs of the league to choose from.

So the issue is with the rules for previous expansions, not the last two. Seattle is the perfect counterpoint for Vegas. Not nearly as a well run an organization, had had the exact same expansion rules, and are on the bottom end of mediocre.

 

[I am Canadian]

The NHL makes a lot of money off the Golden Knight's being a good team so there's lots of speculation (you decide if true or not) that they get favourable calls

 

[Oneiro]

Much like the real Vegas, the team will be a shell of itself inside of a decade.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

So the issue is with the rules for previous expansions, not the last two. Seattle is the perfect counterpoint for Vegas. Not nearly as a well run an organization, had had the exact same expansion rules, and are on the bottom end of mediocre.

The issue is that the owners bent on the rules to get more free money, and Vegas is the face of that. Not their fault necessarily, but such is life.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I remember seeing cheerleaders at Flyers games in the 2000s so I'm going to say no. A quick Google search will tell you they've been around for 25 years.

That could be, but, since the first time I saw cheerleading was a Vegas game and I don’t like it, and this thread is more about feels than facts “hate” not stats. Really doesn’t change much.

 

[Three On Zero]

I feel like the hate this team gets is unwarranted.

Immediately success and a Stanley Cup in relatively short order. A successful franchise right from the get go without any growing pains.

 

[HanSolo]

Much like the real Vegas, the team will be a shell of itself inside of a decade.

Well. Yeah. No team can sustain success forever. Teams in the bottom third like San Jose, Detroit, and Anaheim had up to two decades of sustained competitive quality and now all three are bad teams that are rebuilding.

Vegas' best players are only getting older and they burned their prospect pipeline for short term success. The fall off is inevitable.

 

[ToDavid]

Favorable expansion rules leading to immediate success.

I think this is a bit of revisionism.

Favourable compared to the last time they expanded, sure, but the old rules were brutal. Those teams were setup to fail. Vegas's rules were perfectly fine. A couple teams made some really dumb decisions. Even with that, the vast majority of people were certain Vegas would be bad before the season started.

 

[Summer Rose]

Because people spin conspiracy theories instead of admitting they were wrong when clamoring about how bad Vegas was going to be. The narrative by many on this site was "This will be the worst team of all time" to "They won't keep winning" to "They will never make the playoffs" to "NHL rigged it so they would be good".

This absolutely happened from my perspective. I remember reading around after the Vegas expansion draft and it seemed like the common sentiment was that while they obviously got much more favorable expansion draft rules than previous teams, that they bungled a bunch of their selections and the team was going to be awful. I will freely admit that I agreed with that general sentiment at the time. I thought that the expansion draft rules they got were basically about good enough to get them into the playoffs as a lower seed, but not any further than a first round loss. Then I saw the roster they selected and assumed they would miss the playoffs. Then they made the finals in their inaugural season.

I can only assume they made the finals in their inaugural season just to spite me personally.