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Kings Article: How Did the Best Possession Team in Hockey Miss the Playoffs?

efhank said:
Maybe! But it's just counting up all shot attempts for and against. Shots that miss, shots blocked, shot from the boards, you name it. So, if you're always shooting, your corsi is high. The stat assumes everyone shoots with the same efficiency. Trevor Lewis is just as efficient as Patrick Kane!
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What's funny though is possession wise Lewis is in actuality.

Kane scores way more with his possession time, but what is Lewis effective at. Think about it real hard.

Lewis is a very good fore-checker, and zone entry guy with puck. Lewis is also good at gaining possession in the Defensive zone. So Corsi is not actually wrong in this instance. It's right.

You look at the stats (with context in mind) not in a vacuum.

No one would ever suggest Lewis is just as good a hockey player as Patrick Kane or just as productive. (Context)
 
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So many reasons….

- The rapid decline of Richards and Brown.
- Kopi and Williams having a super quiet year.
- Stoll and Greene sucking.
- Pearson getting hurt.
- Voynov, that piece of ****.
- Our road record.
- Our OT/SO record.
- Not being able to hold leads going into the 3rd period.
- Not defending the slot well. It seemed like everybody just skated to our doorstep without being punished.
- All the turnovers right in front of our net.
- Our D being a hot mess. cough*Greene*cough
- Doughty being overworked which killed his production since he had to do all the defending himself.
- The West got better all around us in order to compete with us.
- Everybody wanted to kill the Champs.
- Playing a ton more hockey than every other team over the past 3 years.
 
DocWest said:
So many reasons….

- The rapid decline of Richards and Brown.
- Kopi and Williams having a super quiet year.
- Stoll and Greene sucking.
- Pearson getting hurt.
- Voynov, that piece of ****.
- Our road record.
- Our OT/SO record.
- Not being able to hold leads going into the 3rd period.
- Not defending the slot well. It seemed like everybody just skated to our doorstep without being punished.
- All the turnovers right in front of our net.
- Our D being a hot mess. cough*Greene*cough
- Doughty being overworked which killed his production since he had to do all the defending himself.
- The West got better all around us in order to compete with us.
- Everybody wanted to kill the Champs.
- Playing a ton more hockey than every other team over the past 3 years.
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This sums it up for me.
 
efhank said:
Maybe! But it's just counting up all shot attempts for and against. Shots that miss, shots blocked, shot from the boards, you name it. So, if you're always shooting, your corsi is high. The stat assumes everyone shoots with the same efficiency. Trevor Lewis is just as efficient as Patrick Kane!
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Corsi does not measure efficiency and it is not intended to. It is intended to provide a proxy for showing which teams control the puck more.

If you want to see how efficient a player is, there are other stats available: shooting percentage (admittedly, this is subject to random fluctuations, so it is important to view a larger sample size), goals/assists/points/scoring chances per 60 minutes of ice time, etc.
 
It doesn't help that the Kings had to ice Greene, McNabb and Mcbain in the same game, quite a few times this season. No Bueno.

I'm with those that say this will be a blessing in disguise. The team gets much needed rest and thus, should come back more hungry next season. Losing Stoll is pretty much addition by subtraction, and Williams was subpar most of the year.
 
DocWest said:
So many reasons….

- The rapid decline of Richards and Brown.
- Kopi and Williams having a super quiet year.
- Stoll and Greene sucking.
- Pearson getting hurt.
- Voynov, that piece of ****.
- Our road record.
- Our OT/SO record.
- Not being able to hold leads going into the 3rd period.
- Not defending the slot well. It seemed like everybody just skated to our doorstep without being punished.
- All the turnovers right in front of our net.
- Our D being a hot mess. cough*Greene*cough
- Doughty being overworked which killed his production since he had to do all the defending himself.
- The West got better all around us in order to compete with us.
- Everybody wanted to kill the Champs.
- Playing a ton more hockey than every other team over the past 3 years.
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And with all that, they just missed out. I understand all teams face adversity, but this was an inordinate amount of downturns to expect. That's why I think they'll be back in force next season after a few things get ironed out.
 
The difference in goals and shot from last year to this year:

Toffoli, +10g, +74s
Gaborik, +15g, +67s
Clifford, +3g, +40s
Doughty, -3g, +40s
Pearson, +9g, +37s
Lewis, +3g, +30s
Greene, +1g, +29s
Martinez, -5g, +23s
King, -2g, +16s
Muzzin, +5g, -3s
Brown, -4g, -9s
Regehr, even, -12s
Nolan, even, -16s
Stoll, -2g, -28s
Carter, +1g, -39s
Williams, -1g, -68s
Kopitar, -13g, -69s
Richards, -6g, -94s
Voynov, -4g, -138s
 
cyclones22 said:
And with all that, they just missed out. I understand all teams face adversity, but this was an inordinate amount of downturns to expect. That's why I think they'll be back in force next season after a few things get ironed out.
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Seriously, we had a ton of crap not go our way this year and we missed the playoffs by probably less than 2 wins in the end. All things considered, that's not THAT bad. We'll be back.

KingsFan7824 said:
The difference in goals and shot from last year to this year:

Toffoli, +10g, +74s
Gaborik, +15g, +67s
Clifford, +3g, +40s
Doughty, -3g, +40s
Pearson, +9g, +37s
Lewis, +3g, +30s
Greene, +1g, +29s
Martinez, -5g, +23s
King, -2g, +16s
Muzzin, +5g, -3s
Brown, -4g, -9s
Regehr, even, -12s
Nolan, even, -16s
Stoll, -2g, -28s
Carter, +1g, -39s
Williams, -1g, -68s
Kopitar, -13g, -69s
Richards, -6g, -94s
Voynov, -4g, -138s
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-13G No words.
 
Variance

We have had toronto and colarado make the playoffs with terrible stats. There is always going to be the reverse
 
Seems to me the Kings were taught to play on the boards in the offensive zone a majority of the time they're in there. Opposing teams simply do not pressure board play to the extent the Kings would prefer; ultimately the puck has to come more to center for a good scoring chance where the team on the offence is simply out-manned. You won't score much from along the boards or behind the net and I think opposing teams have simply allowed the Kings to stay along there. Kings center ice play from the front of the opposition net this year was atrocious IMO.
 
moosehead81 said:
Seems to me the Kings were taught to play on the boards in the offensive zone a majority of the time they're in there. Opposing teams simply do not pressure board play to the extent the Kings would prefer; ultimately the puck has to come more to center for a good scoring chance where the team on the offence is simply out-manned. You won't score much from along the boards or behind the net and I think opposing teams have simply allowed the Kings to stay along there. Kings center ice play from the front of the opposition net this year was atrocious IMO.
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Reclamation Project said:


Exactly, especially the teams that are playing hardcore defense. Give the Kings the perimeter and let them cycle all day, cycle isn't dangerous if you don't occasionally have a guy break it and bullrush the net. Cycling is only a strong option if you can keep the opposing team honest. I understand we're playing the percentages and were just on the wrong side of them, but we can help that by breaking in hard more and using our size and strength to crash the net.

Calgary killed us all year by doing just that and just fronting all the point shots.

Ditto. Aren't Calgary's underlying stats not that great?
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They were terrible, but as a young team, they can 'grow into' them, so to speak, as they bring up their blue chippers.
 
DocWest said:
So many reasons….

- The rapid decline of Richards and Brown.
- Kopi and Williams having a super quiet year.
- Stoll and Greene sucking.
- Pearson getting hurt.
- Voynov, that piece of ****.
- Our road record.
- Our OT/SO record.
- Not being able to hold leads going into the 3rd period.
- Not defending the slot well. It seemed like everybody just skated to our doorstep without being punished.
- All the turnovers right in front of our net.
- Our D being a hot mess. cough*Greene*cough
- Doughty being overworked which killed his production since he had to do all the defending himself.
- The West got better all around us in order to compete with us.
- Everybody wanted to kill the Champs.
- Playing a ton more hockey than every other team over the past 3 years.
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I'll add:
- blowing something like 8-9 two goal leads, and either losing or only getting a point out of the game. Happened twice vs the Ducks and at least once vs the Flames.The Flames comeback win in Dec turned their season around thanks to us.:shakehead
 
Possession and the associated #'s (like shots taken) aren't as important a stat as they're often made out to be. Sure they matter, but in and off themselves they mean little. Every sport has stats like those that hint toward success but far from guarantee it. In football time of possession and 1st downs are desirable, in basketball turnovers can hurt you, but the bottom line is, the only thing that counts for winning is whatever puts points on the board. In boxing we have a saying called "a punchers chance". Meaning no matter how much better a fighter supposedly is or how many times he hits his opponent, if his opponent has one punch knockout power and lands a few good punches, he can go home with the win. In hockey, if you take a team that is below average in possession stats but knows how to capitalize and finish - putting the puck in net - then no stats matter. You could possess the puck for 50 minutes and take 30 shots, making 2 but all it takes is the other team capitalizing on a few key possessions and getting it in 3 out of 15 times and they win. Then the fact that you held onto the puck and took twice as many shots means literally nothing. May as well see who had a higher average skating speed during the game.
 
In the past, big and strong possession teams lead to success. Not every team can do that. So, coaches devise a strategy to combat big, strong, heavy possession teams. How do you do that? Pack the middle, let that possession team do whatever they want around the boards, but protect the slot. Block, block, block all shots! Counter, counter, counter. Bury your chances! If not then all converge back to the defensive slot and repeat.
 
MynameisKing said:
In the past, big and strong possession teams lead to success. Not every team can do that. So, coaches devise a strategy to combat big, strong, heavy possession teams. How do you do that? Pack the middle, let that possession team do whatever they want around the boards, but protect the slot. Block, block, block all shots! Counter, counter, counter. Bury your chances! If not then all converge back to the defensive slot and repeat.
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This is it, and also through in my moniker and that hockey is a game of mistakes! Severe ones at times! Mild at times! One thing that should be counted up at hockey are turnovers at the blue line. This is a way of saying you had a chance to chip it out and didn't, or you had a chance to chip it deep and didn't! I know a lot of players these days don't like this concept, and will view their own Corsi instead, but at times this is simple hockey that needs to be played.
 
DocWest said:
So many reasons….

- The rapid decline of Richards and Brown.
- Kopi and Williams having a super quiet year.
- Stoll and Greene sucking.
- Pearson getting hurt.
- Voynov, that piece of ****.
- Our road record.
- Our OT/SO record.
- Not being able to hold leads going into the 3rd period.
- Not defending the slot well. It seemed like everybody just skated to our doorstep without being punished.
- All the turnovers right in front of our net.
- Our D being a hot mess. cough*Greene*cough
- Doughty being overworked which killed his production since he had to do all the defending himself.
- The West got better all around us in order to compete with us.
- Everybody wanted to kill the Champs.
- Playing a ton more hockey than every other team over the past 3 years.
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Just fixed it for ya :laugh:
 
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