Proposal: How Boston Retools and Stays A Contender

[KillerMillerTime]

Without top line or PP minutes hes produced just as much as Tkachuk since he entered the league with more goals and in less games...

Tkachuk will likely be the better player in the long run but as of now they're the same calibre of player

DeBrusk has about 33% of his goals scored the last two
seasons on the PP, so clearly he gets decent PP time.
Tkachuk has about 15% of his goals scored on the PP.

Also Tkackuk over the last two seasons has generated
close to 155 more shots than DeBrusk. That's
a bit more than 2 per game. Given the type of games
they play Tkachuk shots are probably in the dirty areas
more iften.

Tkachuk definitely takes more penalties, so that is a
negative on him but he is physical. With TB's size on D
his size/aggressiveness is valuable to me.

 

[nbwingsfan]

DeBrusk has about 33% of his goals scored the last two
seasons on the PP, so clearly he gets decent PP time.
Tkachuk has about 15% of his goals scored on the PP.

Also Tkackuk over the last two seasons has generated
close to 155 more shots than DeBrusk. That's
a bit more than 2 per game. Given the type of games
they play Tkachuk shots are probably in the dirty areas
more iften.

Tkachuk definitely takes more penalties, so that is a
negative on him but he is physical. With TB's size on D
his size/aggressiveness is valuable to me.

1. Taking more shots doesn't make you a better player. He's not scoring very often on those shots.

2. Tkachuk played about 3minutes more a game than Debrusk and about 30 seconds more on the PP. Because debrusk is better at scoring on the PP than he is isn't a knock against Debrusk like you're trying to say it is

 

[KillerMillerTime]

1. Taking more shots doesn't make you a better player. He's not scoring very often on those shots.

2. Tkachuk played about 3minutes more a game than Debrusk and about 30 seconds more on the PP. Because debrusk is better at scoring on the PP than he is isn't a knock against Debrusk like you're trying to say it is

Come on man you know as well as I do taking more than a half seasons worth of shots than DeBrusk given the type of player he is means you have possession down low more. You put him with Coyle on the 3rd line and teams aren't going to see the puck. That's a monster 3rd line. Coyle at 6:03 and Tkachuk at 6:04.

You realize in their 1st two years Svechnikov in Carolina
has two more goals in 8 more games? I'm not saying Tkachuk is in his class
but thats similar goal scoring production.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Come on man you know as well as I do taking a half more than a seasons worth of shots than DeBrusk given the type of player he is means you have possession down low more. You put him with Coyle on the 3rd line and teams
aren't going to see the puck. That's a monster 3rd line.

You realize in their 1st two years Svechnikov in Carolina
has two more goals in 8 more games? I'm not saying Tkachuk is in his class
but thats similar goal scoring production.

Cool. One player also stayed as a 40pt player in his second season and the other turned just short of a PPG player so that's just a strange comparison to try and make.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Cool. One player also stayed as a 40pt player in his second season and the other turned just short of a PPG player so that's just a strange comparison to try and make.

Have them switch teams and guaranteed Svechnikov's
assists # go down 5A and Tkachuk's go up about 5A.
Suddenly there isn't the same difference. Funny how that works isn't it?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Have them switch teams and guaranteed Svechnikov's
assists # go down 5A and Tkachuk's go up about 5A.
Suddenly there isn't the same difference. Funny how that works isn't it?

Well you have exactly no possible way to prove that so again, very weird argument to make.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Well you have exactly no possible way to prove that so again, very weird argument to make.

Oh please, I can easily make a legitimate argument on a strictly Macro basis, based on each players contibutions to their existing teams.

Ottawa scored 31 fewer goals than Carolina, Tkachuk had a hand (assists) in just over 12% of his teams goals. Take
those "missing" goals and Tkachuk has 4 more assists.

Svechnikov had a hand (assists) in just over 16% of Carolina's goals. So lets say his superior play adds
6 goals to Ottawa. He still is losing 25 goals at
16%. That comes out to 4 fewer A.

I'll even concede that Svechnikov will score the same number of goals with Ottawa even though the team is worse,but he'll see more TOI.

I think those are perfectly reasonable assumptions
given the teams levels of talent.